Alien Queen vs. Spartan-II/117

[IndyFront]

Trying to start a topic on something other than politics. IMO this would be a pretty even fight but I want to see what everyone else thinks.

Round 1: Master Chief and the Queen are aware of each other, know about each other, and Master Chief is armed.
Round 2: Master Chief is aware of the Queen but must find and acquire weapons
Round 3: Master Chief is unaware of a Queen nearby
Round 4: Master Chief is aware of a Queen nearby, but he is unarmed and she has drones to assist her (50-100).
Round 5: Master Chief has marines to assist him, the Alien Queen has drones to assist her, they are both aware and prepared for each other.






Who wins each round?

(Also, let's try to have a debate that respects both franchises, nothing like "Oh MaStEr ChIeF iS So sTuPiD hE gOt TrIcKeD iNtO aLmOsT bLoWiNg Up ThE uNiVeRsE LoL")

 

[Marek_Gutkowski]

Master Chief: "What are you going to do bleed on me?"
Yes, that is from Monty Python.

I am basing this on the idea that electromagnetic shields shouldn't be affected by chemical reactions.
We know Chief can punch through the front of a human skull with no problem.

An alien was temporarily stalemated by a large middle-aged male in Alien 3. In Aliens an average human woman held one against the wall with her foot.
Chief is already above human strength and he is in power armor.

I can see Chief having trouble in round 3. Queen is said to be intelligent so she may find a way to trap Chief, or drop a bolder on him or something.

 

[IndyFront]

An alien was temporarily stalemated by a large middle-aged male in Alien 3.

In that same film the Alien manhandled like 20 people, compared to that one low-ball outlier, survived having 20 tons of boiling hot lead dumped on it, managed to make the 50-plus ton piston whine as it pushed back against it, and only succumbed to humans using the third law of thermodynamics against it

In Aliens an average human woman held one against the wall with her foot.

Again, in that same film a single xenomorph is able to hold open a blast door against three marines in peak physical condition, they are at least as strong as elites and predators, case in point:


You can make a case for Master Chief that doesn't involve picking out the lowest-tier feats for the Aliens and focusing on them intensely. I believe in you!

I can see Chief having trouble in round 3. Queen is said to be intelligent so she may find a way to trap Chief, or drop a bolder on him or something.

IMO, Master Chief would more than "have trouble". If he's caught unaware imagine it going like this (instead of Atriox's mace insert a queen's tail):

 

[Marek_Gutkowski]

You can make a case for Master Chief that doesn't involve picking out the lowest-tier feats for the Aliens and focusing on them intensely. I believe in you!

Ok lets go the other way around.
Halo 2 chief traveled between 10-20km by jumping in under 30s. And hit Miranda's ship with enough force to make a sound be heard. Outrunning a thermonuclear blast in the process. Was not injured by any of the above.
He can flip over a 50t tank.
He was punching through the deck plating to get a handhold to climb as the ship he was in was accelerating in the opposite direction. The queen was
He dodges ATGMs, casually throws men in armor,

Chief is walking around in 324kg of armor. That thing is shown to be as strong if not stronger than the forklift Ripley used.

On the flip side, he needs 3 punches to the side of the head to kill a scrawny looking alien on a mobility scooter.

IMO, Master Chief would more than "have trouble". If he's caught unaware imagine it going like this (instead of Atriox's mace insert a queen's tail):

A gravity hammer strikes send 3t of a jeep thing flying for circa 50m. I don't see the queen's tail doing the same.
As for the chief being caught unaware, he has a built-in motion sensor. He would have to walk into an ambush in close quarters as the queen and her drones are lying in wait.

The queen winning would require a plot contrivance.

 

[IndyFront]

Ok lets go the other way around.
Halo 2 chief traveled between 10-20km by jumping in under 30s. And hit Miranda's ship with enough force to make a sound be heard. Outrunning a thermonuclear blast in the process. Was not injured by any of the above.
He can flip over a 50t tank.
He was punching through the deck plating to get a handhold to climb as the ship he was in was accelerating in the opposite direction. The queen was
He dodges ATGMs, casually throws men in armor,

I'm not saying Master Chief wouldn't win, I'm saying it wouldn't be the cakewalk you're making it out to be, hell he probably wins most rounds, I'm just making a case for why the Aliens are underestimated. And Master Chief going in trying to fight xenomorphs in hand-to-hand combat would be extremely out of character, Master Chief prefers firearms, if he found he wouldn't be able to take them on in close quarters, he'd find a ship and HAVOK nuke the site from orbit (it's the only way to be sure )

On the flip side, he needs 3 punches to the side of the head to kill a scrawny looking alien on a mobility scooter.

Could just as easily impale him on its tail and fling him like it did that predator, and predators in armor are shown to shake the ground with each step they take. An Alien's tail is probably about as strong as that entire predator's body.

A gravity hammer strikes send 3t of a jeep thing flying for circa 50m. I don't see the queen's tail doing the same.

Why not?

As for the chief being caught unaware, he has a built-in motion sensor. He would have to walk into an ambush in close quarters as the queen and her drones are lying in wait.

The queen winning would require a plot contrivance.

Was Master Chief getting ambushed and manhandled by a brute a "plot contrivance"? And even if it is its still relevant since its a direct part of Halo lore.

 

[Marek_Gutkowski]

I'm not saying Master Chief wouldn't win, I'm saying it wouldn't be the cakewalk you're making it out to be, hell he probably wins most rounds, I'm just making a case for why the Aliens are underestimated. And Master Chief going in trying to fight xenomorphs in hand-to-hand combat would be extremely out of character, Master Chief prefers firearms, if he found he wouldn't be able to take them on in close quarters, he'd find a ship and HAVOK nuke the site from orbit (it's the only way to be sure )

One of your rounds has chief unarmed. That why I was talking about hand to hand combat.

Could just as easily impale him on its tail and fling him like it did that predator, and predators in armor are shown to shake the ground with each step they take. An Alien's tail is probably about as strong as that entire predator's body.

I was referring to the boss battle with Regret (or was it Truth) Chief needed to punch the alien prophet 3 times to win. So that little old alien is as durable as the engine on a tank. And an infection form kills another of his species.
I was pointing out that Halo player character feats are inconsistent.

Why not?

Couldn't do it to the forklift Ripley was in.

Was Master Chief getting ambushed and manhandled by a brute a "plot contrivance"? And even if it is its still relevant since its a direct part of Halo lore.

No, it wasn't. A brute can kill the chief. But that cut scene actually adds to Chief's feats. In gameplay a direct hit with a hammer kills him, this shows that he can actually tank a strike that sends a 3-ton car flying.

 

[IndyFront]

One of your rounds has chief unarmed. That why I was talking about hand to hand combat.

He would still try to seek out firearms, and it would be his best bet considering that Aliens' forte is unarmed combat (if you could even really call them "unarmed")

Couldn't do it to the forklift Ripley was in.

The P-5000 Powered Work Loader is so large and bulky it is practically a vehicle you wear, in no way comparable to MJOLNIR Mk. 4-onward (Master Chief in his armor is 7'02 and weighs 994 pounds the Power Loader grants the user a height of 9'10" and a weight likely triple the Mjolnir's - real life Caterpillar p-5000s have an operating weight of 7900 pounds), the most these two suits have in common is that they're both power suits, but even then the Power Loader is more of an exoskeleton whereas the the MJOLNIR was often described as more akin to a second layer of skin for SPARTANS (Spartan-IIs anyway). The suit also noticeably lists to one side from the first tail attack and whirs under strain, while Ripley was clenching it's head between the Loader's claws and it was off-balance. The Queen grabbed the pilot cage and pulled the the Power Loader down onto its side, before it rolls over into the airlock on top of the Queen, leaving it unscathed (while the Power Loader is very clearly damaged).



Also, we have to take into account more than just one film, I'm thinking of all the Halo games here so surely all Alien-related lore is fair game



In this scene the Queen sends a predator (which - again - are heavy enough to foot indentions on the roofs of several trucks in Predator 2, and the ground literally shakes when it is running in AVP, Predators weigh over 500 pounds in armor, they're not small) flying through the air with a quick whack of her tail. Unless Master Chief has some sort of weight redistribution system in his suit (didn't work so well when he got hit with that mace though lol) he's going to get his socks rocked by that tail. Perhaps he could use his quick reflexes to attempt to catch the tail but even then he'd still be going for a ride rodeo-style.

 

[IndyFront]

This meme sums up perfectly why I think Master Chief would lose to an Alien Queen in a fist-fight