Avatar: The Way of Water

[Eliar]

Not really.
No one on the human side looks all that bothered by Earth dying. All they talked about is I have a deadline to meet.
And that is coming from a whaler character. There is also a marine biologist character that is working on a whaler ship that looks kind of sad that they are killing whales for their brain juice(I am not kidding) to sell back to rich people back home.
And just like the magic rock from the first, the brain juice is magic as well.

Oooook...

Caricatures one and all then

 

[Marek_Gutkowski]

Oooook...

Caricatures one and all then

I am of a firm belief that caricatures are at the very least try to be funny.
So no. Cardboard cutouts maybe?

 

[t-dugong]

*shrugs*

Cameron doesn't give a shit about storytelling with Avatar. Hence why it's shit. The first one was shit, this one sounds even worse. It's a tech demo masquerading as a movie.

Did Cameron buy shares in the FX studio or did he patent something? I have no idea.

 

[<Reaper>666]

I'm 99% certain that is not how atmospheric reentry works.


so an action part got cut but all the smurf village kumbaya stuff got in?

Yes. Three important scenes are:
- Sully's life on Earth pre shipment to Pandora and why he become invalid, also Earth is shown
- natives ambush of land clearing op complete with gruesome battlefield view (ie. AMP pilots burned alive)
- Quatrich declaring martial law and why (especially nice is the scene where he pacifies Selfridge in command centre)

Also there was no reerntry per se - ships basically decelerated to zero and then lowered themseles into the atmosphere on continous burn acting a construction cranes. It was not usuall "burn in" orbital drop like in Starshi Troopers, more like placing large structure with the use of construction crane or helicopter, only with antimatter powered plasma torches.

 

[<Reaper>666]

*shrugs*

Cameron doesn't give a shit about storytelling with Avatar. Hence why it's shit. The first one was shit, this one sounds even worse. It's a tech demo masquerading as a movie.

Did Cameron buy shares in the FX studio or did he patent something? I have no idea.

Have you read original scenario (from 80s) for Avatar?
What we got is story wise it is Pocahontas with corpos, becouse comparing it with Dances with wolves is gross oversimplification.
Second one is some carricature of whalers and Moby Dick.
Given the question of deadlines, basically colonisation initiative wants as much as they can to mitigate the costs of the project with luring private sector. Also RDA is still in the game, which is . . . curious given their mismanagement of the colony and local affairs and upgrade of the Pandora from backwater mining town to the perspective Earth replacement.

 

[Rabe]

Avatar 2 is a great movie, it got my grandma, the trumper one talking like a Marxist on the way home and the story is interesting too
if he doesn't become the literal devil the Col Q2 may go native enough to lead a revolution among the humans to something less assholish eventually
also the Sully family adopted a whale

 

[Rabe]

And this is why I will probably wait until it's out on streaming, Youtube or anything else that doesn't require me to sit for 190 minutes in a theatre with 3D glasses over my regular glasses just to get to the action.


That said, I'm unhappy how further dehumanized the humans are to the point the new RDA characters don't even get to have names, but I'm interested to hear Cameron claim we will finally have evil Na'vi and sympathetic RDA in the third movie.

RDA dehumanizes humans thats the problem not humans

Not really.
No one on the human side looks all that bothered by Earth dying. All they talked about is I have a deadline to meet.
And that is coming from a whaler character. There is also a marine biologist character that is working on a whaler ship that looks kind of sad that they are killing whales for their brain juice(I am not kidding) to sell back to rich people back home.
And just like the magic rock from the first, the brain juice is magic as well.

why is earth dying when we have intersetllar ferry service running on a profit ? because we have a whole planet here we can charge access to and enslave anyone who wants to come also fixing earth would cut into profits reduce RDAs leveraged control of humanity

 

[Marek_Gutkowski]

Also there was no reerntry per se - ships basically decelerated to zero and then lowered themseles into the atmosphere on continous burn acting a construction cranes. It was not usuall "burn in" orbital drop like in Starshi Troopers, more like placing large structure with the use of construction crane or helicopter, only with antimatter powered plasma torches.

Again I'm 99% sure that is not how reentering the atmosphere at any speed works.

why is earth dying when we have intersetllar ferry service running on a profit ? because we have a whole planet here we can charge access to and enslave anyone who wants to come also fixing earth would cut into profits reduce RDAs leveraged control of humanity

The movie hasn't told us what Earth is dying off.
So maybe it is something like a cascade failure.
I have no idea how something like that could happen. And I don't think a single sentence said by someone deserves overthinking it. Star Wars did that with the Clone Wars, which was a single sentence that grew into a spin-off franchise.


also
The more I think about this Whaling thing the more stupid it sounds.

So they can make an Avatar. Something that is the same species as the original. Yes, it is expensive. Why not just make a pool on Earth and breed the whales there? You can even figure out a way to milk the whale more than once.
You can handwave it way, that the brain juice being magic is a recent discovery.

 

[Rabe]

Again I'm 99% sure that is not how reentering the atmosphere at any speed works.

The movie hasn't told us what Earth is dying off.
So maybe it is something like a cascade failure.
I have no idea how something like that could happen. And I don't think a single sentence said by someone deserves overthinking it. Star Wars did that with the Clone Wars, which was a single sentence that grew into a spin-off franchise.


also
The more I think about this Whaling thing the more stupid it sounds.

So they can make an Avatar. Something that is the same species as the original. Yes, it is expensive. Why not just make a pool on Earth and breed the whales there? You can even figure out a way to milk the whale more than once.
You can handwave it way, that the brain juice being magic is a recent discovery.

again even if earth is dead with the power they are playing with they could brute force re terraform earth, the situtation is clearly only kept this way to keep RDA revenue has high as possible

 

[Marek_Gutkowski]

again even if earth is dead with the power they are playing with they could brute force re terraform earth, the situtation is clearly only kept this way to keep RDA revenue has high as possible

As I see the setting it is not about power. It is about the redistribution of said power and that is where the magic unobtanium comes in.
So it is possible that the power itself is the problem. Earth is generating so much power that it is heating up the planet.
The room temperature superconductor is the fix Earth needs.

 

[Rabe]

As I see the setting it is not about power. It is about the redistribution of said power and that is where the magic unobtanium comes in.
So it is possible that the power itself is the problem. Earth is generating so much power that it is heating up the planet.
The room temperature superconductor is the fix Earth needs.

it's its about money, earth dying is more profitable just like people dying in the streets is great for a housing market, we could fix these problems but why not make obscene wealth for zero efort by threaten the vulnerable with death so we can enslave them and have them thank us for it

also anyone see this in the background?

 

[<Reaper>666]

again even if earth is dead with the power they are playing with they could brute force re terraform earth, the situtation is clearly only kept this way to keep RDA revenue has high as possible

The moment the atmospheric processors gets to work it;s mass extinction event to everything native, and local partisans lack numbers and power to do anything about that.

Again I'm 99% sure that is not how reentering the atmosphere at any speed works.

The movie hasn't told us what Earth is dying off.
So maybe it is something like a cascade failure.
I have no idea how something like that could happen. And I don't think a single sentence said by someone deserves overthinking it. Star Wars did that with the Clone Wars, which was a single sentence that grew into a spin-off franchise.


also
The more I think about this Whaling thing the more stupid it sounds.

So they can make an Avatar. Something that is the same species as the original. Yes, it is expensive. Why not just make a pool on Earth and breed the whales there? You can even figure out a way to milk the whale more than once.
You can handwave it way, that the brain juice being magic is a recent discovery.

Told - unrecoverable enviromental degradation - hence why first Avatar actually makes sense in a director cut's version - it has much of the context. Also original old script has a ton of info that did not get into the film, but was downright seditious and anti human.

 

[<Reaper>666]

As I see the setting it is not about power. It is about the redistribution of said power and that is where the magic unobtanium comes in.
So it is possible that the power itself is the problem. Earth is generating so much power that it is heating up the planet.
The room temperature superconductor is the fix Earth needs.

Exactly - the mineral was needed for permament magnets, and parts for fusion engines of interstellar vessels. For fusion powerplants.
Now Pandora from bakwater mining town is upgraded to the perspective new home, and hence mandate switches. Question of profit making is mistakne in the film becouse given the organisational structure RDA should actually be an oversight management settling law matters and providing security to the special economic zone the Hell Gate was with actual mining done by private consortia granted rights under the RDA's charter. Instead Cameron went with "evil corporation" done in the most stupid way possible, which is seen in the generic, visible, material. Expanded cut;s of the film and script itself paints much different picture.

Second film went with whaling only to have enviromental plot excuse, which in the end is only one of private ventures undertaken on the Pandora in a bid of luring private sector to help finance the colonial developement. That details are left unmentioned becouse othewise people would not support anti social narration of the film.

 

[Rabe]

RDA wont fix earth not can't, one is a new market is the other is a waste reclamation project of already exploited assets

 

[<Reaper>666]

RDA wont fix earth not can't, one is a new market is the other is a waste reclamation project of already exploited assets

RDA is not a fixer, it is a tool which by the way Avatar and Cameron cannot portray in any meaningful way, especially in second one where Pandora's status turns from backwater to settlement candidate with human race being in extremis.

 

[Rabe]

RDA is not a fixer, it is a tool which by the way Avatar and Cameron cannot portray in any meaningful way, especially in second one where Pandora's status turns from backwater to settlement candidate with human race being in extremis.

fine believe what RDA tells it's massproduced slave troops