Spacebattles is not a credible source of information.It's not really conspiracy crap when it actually happened.
Spacebattles is not a credible source of information.It's not really conspiracy crap when it actually happened.
The reality of the world is that you can't convince everyone of your way of thinking e especially on a message board. At one point in a debate we all just need to accept that our opponent isn't going to be convinced by our argument and accept their difference of opinion. You can't force people to conceded their arguments and in many ways thats what I see a bad faith debating rule as doing.making huge and extraordinary claims with no evidence (all progressives want white genocide),
the use of known liars as sources (alex jones,
Alex Johns is on record as stating under oath that he's just an entertainer playing a character for entertainment purposes. There isn't a need to draw an arbiter line between him and legitimate news sources.Alex Jones I might draw the line at,
Or just unjustly punsh the ill-informed, ignorant, or just outright dumb members of our community.Unless they're clearly laid out, it can be used to silence debate.
I'd recommend If they refuse to accept your dismissal you stop wasting your time debating them. To implement a rule as you describe Ravan would be to invest in me a modderator the Authority to dismiss one side of an argument based on my own personal interpretation of the text posted. Personally I find your refusal to accept youtube videos as sources when they're plainly presenting the relevent materal to be a purposeful and unreasonable obstruction of civil debate presumably because you've either exhausted legitimate counter arguments to your opponents points or you've given up serious debating and just seek to agitate your opponent.Not just using it, but using it and then refusing to accept when other people dismiss it.
Not the time or the place Sacrobite.Alex Jones speaks truth and is the defintion of a valid source.
I'm both flattered Putin finds this site important enough to despatch agents to troll it, and relieved their tactics are so ineffectual.@Horton... at this point I think he's a Russian GRU agent whose only job is to be a Trump fanboy and try to peddle that sort of shit around...
As indy said that is a derail and would be handled as seen fit.I should clarify that I'm not calling for people to be infracted for using vad sources. I'm calling for them to be infracted for creating a giant derail about how we have to pretend that those sources aren't known liars and dissect every single separate article, after which they just vanish instead of admitting they used bad sources. Until the next week or next thread when they do it again.
Sacrobite is THE reason the ignore function was invented, he's abrasive and lacks legitimate content to contribute, but he's ultimately harmless and I find your insistence he be banned to be disturbing.When someone has made it clear that they are only there to troll and not to contribute anything of value, does it matter what their motives are? Or should they simply be removed?
Please note that I do not believe he is a paid GRU employee or any such nonsense
Ravan this is a friendly message board where people of common interests can gather and engage in friendly discuss and debate about nerd stuff and armchair politics.You don't have to. If you actually enforce good faith debating, shitposters will purge themselves.
I'd like to say this thread and your two posts here have kind of convinced me we don't have enough of a problem to need a no bad faith debating rule and I realize it's been abused too much on SV and SB.Oh and if I may add the report that prompted me to inform Ravan about our lack of a bad faith debating rule was about an obviously liberal poster supposedly debating in bad faith. His concern over conservatives and the alt-right having free range to troll and bait indiscriminately is currently unfounded. Why are we legislating new rules to deal with problems we don't have? That seems antithetical to the principles this site was founded on.
Ingnorant and dumb is subjective.If the alt-right are welcome, noone else is. It's that simple. And YES, you should punish ill informed, ignorant and just plain dumb people if it's in a debate. That's how debating works.
I was quoting the post above.Ingnorant and dumb is subjective.
Since when do moderators punish debaters for being stupid? It's not my job to show somone why their wrong. That's your duty as the opposing side. I'm here to facilitate your discussion and aid its productivity. You being unwilling to engage alt-righters is not my problem. It just sounds like you want a safe space, and if I know anything about Horton it's that he detests safe spaces.If the alt-right are welcome, noone else is. It's that simple. And YES, you should punish ill informed, ignorant and just plain dumb people if it's in a debate. That's how debating works.
Well I'm perfectly willing to revisit this subject later down the road Ravan, and I don't mean to come off sounding abrasive. I'm having to type out my responses at work on my breaks if it helps. I just respectfully disagree with your opinion and frankly I enjoy your content and would like it if you considered staying, if not I'd understand.Alright. Good luck to you then
Wait what happened?!May I ask something? In light of the recent TLJ thread banning, I suggest that, although we should moderate threads that generate controversy, we should also try and not ban people/close threads on the virtue that they're covering a subject that the mods don't want to talk about.
Wait what happened?!
Did the SB mods close a star wars thread AND BAN PEOPLE because they've grown tired of moderating it?
That's fucking absurd.
Eh, not as absurd as it is at first glance. If a certain topic is pretty much only generating grief for everyone then steps must be made to keep that grief from ruining everyone's day...Wait what happened?!
Did the SB mods close a star wars thread AND BAN PEOPLE because they've grown tired of moderating it?
That's fucking absurd.
Moderators acting in that cacaptiy need to maintain a degree of respect and kindness I have seen a lack of during my years at SB. Giving a warning isn't an opportunity to be snarky or like farm, and the warning messages you receive shouldn't be littered with passive aggressive language.May I also suggest something? We tone down on aggression.
Yes, we can't have safe spaces. Safe spaces are the literal cancer of society. However, what's almost as bad is punishing people for showing emotion whilst making rude fuck nuggets the center of your community. Y'know who I'm talking about. *COUGHWHITERABBITCOUGH*.
Moderators acting in that cacaptiy need to maintain a degree of respect and kindness I have seen a lack of during my years at SB. Giving a warning isn't an opportunity to be snarky or like farm, and the warning messages you receive shouldn't be littered with passive aggressive language.
obviously amicuses have pretty low responsibilities, but they literally just need to be friendly. You'd think vetting for that would weed out the likes of Wetapunga, I don't think he's a bad guy nessisserally, but he's just not the kind of person you'd want in these kind of positions.Agreed. Can I be honest about some of the amicuses? They're not that friendly. Yes, what I did in the Sci-Fi Tech Forums was annoying and immature. However, it does not justify Wetapunga acting like some kind of superior god. In general, he's also just an unpleasant person to be around.
Saying something under oath doesn't mean that you are telling the truth, thought.Alex Johns is on record as stating under oath that he's just an entertainer playing a character for entertainment purposes. There isn't a need to draw an arbiter line between him and legitimate news sources.
You should inform them, teach them. Not punish them.you should punish ill informed, ignorant and just plain dumb people if it's in a debate.
Yeh I agree hereYou should inform them, teach them. Not punish them.
The question of whether the meta-behaviour can, should or should not be reported is still one that needs answering, IMHO.Yeh I agree here
We can put actual serious bad faith debating under trolling as well which is against rules