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Scottty

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We live in the year 2022 not 1822.

Most Russian soldiers knew damn well that Ukrianian Nazidom is a pile of bull.

Hell many Russian soldiers have relatives in Ukraine, part of why so many deserted on the spot the first days.

The ones that chose to indulge in all the looting killing and raping certainly did not do so because lol Ukrainian Nazis.

Do you really think that everyone alive right now lives mentally in the same century that you do?

To Russians "Nazi" just means "opposes Russia". They don't actually teach about Nazi atrocities like the Holocaust in school, I understand; the Nazis were bad entirely and only because they attacked Russia. Which is why the Russians don't see any conflict between calling their enemies "Nazis" and acting like Nazis; the majority of the Nazi behavior and worldview are admirable and to be emulated by Russian standards.


Ask people from just about any European country that was invaded and occupied by the Germans in WW2 about the Nazis, and they will probably answer first in terms of what it meant for themselves as a people. The Nazis did not restrict their atrocities to any one group. They did some horrible stuff to all sorts of people, just not in bulk quantity like they did to the Jews.


Ukraine does have dozens of right wing paramilitary forces. And the Ukrainian Armed Force don't actually worship any kind of Goddess either, even the anarchist groups don't do that.

The religion that worships a "mother goddess" figure is called Roman Catholicism. Just saying. Not that I give any credence to their silly theory about the causes of gender decadence.
 

Alcibiades

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To Russians "Nazi" just means "opposes Russia". They don't actually teach about Nazi atrocities like the Holocaust in school, I understand; the Nazis were bad entirely and only because they attacked Russia. Which is why the Russians don't see any conflict between calling their enemies "Nazis" and acting like Nazis; the majority of the Nazi behavior and worldview are admirable and to be emulated by Russian standards.

You literally made all of this up. You have got to be the biggest dumbass bullshitter in this entire thread of dumbass bullsihittery, and there are many.
 
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Alcibiades

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OK, you bubble-headed ignoramuses.

The Russian claim is not "Ukrainians are Nazis." The Russian claim is "there are a lot of Nazis in Ukraine, and it is their presence that has made peace in Donbass impossible, so we're going to get them." The first part of this claim is an objective fact, well known to everyone who knows anything at all about the place. Regardless of whether the latter is true, they have never at no time said "Ukrainians are Nazis and should be treated as such." In fact, they have sharply differentiated between the Nazi military units (such as Azov) and the VSU.

And massive quantities of Russian soldiers did not desert in the first days. Can you find any interviews with them? No you can't, because that was made up. Just as you will not find any official statement saying that the war was going to be three days long, or Ukrainians are Nazis. Because those were also made up.

I cannot believe the gullibility. You should be ashamed of yourselves. You're not really this stupid. Most of you, anyway.
 

Rufus Shinra

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You literally made all of this up. You have got to be the biggest dumbass bullshitter in this entire thread of dumbass bullsihittery, and there are many.
Dunno. The ones launching an invasion without cause after doing false flag attacks, mass murdering civilians and ranting about their targets not deserving the right to exist aren't the Ukrainians here. Why do you support the imperialistic idiots, Alcibiades? Especially when their army is showing itself, with clear documentation to be made of a combination of chickens running away from battle, of rapists and of incompetent fools who would be justifiably laughed at by Saddam's military?

I mean, the performance of Russia is so bad that anyone from there with a modicum of self-respect would pretend to be, I dunno, from Azerbaijan. At least THESE guys know how to fight.

And don't get their fuckin' flagship sunk by a pair of Exocet-type missiles, LOL.

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Imagine having this happen to you when your ship is supposed to have more than 100 SAM onboard. Too bad the corruption is so endemic in Russia, because the Neptune missiles definitely weren't made by corrupt idiots, hmm?

So there you are, Russia is acting in the footsteps of all incompetent dictatorships and tries to pillage other countries one it ran out of wealth to steal in its own.

OK, you bubble-headed ignoramuses.

The Russian claim is not "Ukrainians are Nazis." The Russian claim is "there are a lot of Nazis in Ukraine, and it is their presence that has made peace in Donbass impossible, so we're going to get them." The first part of this claim is an objective fact, well known to everyone who knows anything at all about the place. Regardless of whether the latter is true, they have never at no time said "Ukrainians are Nazis and should be treated as such." In fact, they have sharply differentiated between the Nazi military units (such as Azov) and the VSU.

And massive quantities of Russian soldiers did not desert in the first days. Can you find any interviews with them? No you can't, because that was made up. Just as you will not find any official statement saying that the war was going to be three days long, or Ukrainians are Nazis. Because those were also made up.

I cannot believe the gullibility. You should be ashamed of yourselves. You're not really this stupid. Most of you, anyway.

Oi, do you want more photos of the Russian vehicles abandoned by said soldiers? Here's the list for ya, we are at almost THREE THOUSAND Russian vehicles destroyed or abandoned and documented properly:


Really, aren't you even a bit ashamed of still reeing in support of people who are too incompetent to be soldiers, to disorganized to be soldiers, too rapist to be soldiers, too murdering to be soldiers and most often too dead to be soldiers? Or is it because you fear being unpersoned in the purges that are definitely going to happen once Putin has finally been shown to be the gang leader of a minor regional power whose army is literally using 80 years old tactics with planes 60 years obsolete and tanks that turn into roman candles with their crews because they're awfully designed AND internally sabotaged by their builders who skimped on armour?

Can you imagine unironically going to war in deathtraps known as Soviet/Russian tanks against NATO weaponry when the past sixty years have shown repeatedly what happens to these inferior vehicles whenever they step out of the parade grounds?

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Damar

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OK, you bubble-headed ignoramuses.

The Russian claim is not "Ukrainians are Nazis." The Russian claim is "there are a lot of Nazis in Ukraine, and it is their presence that has made peace in Donbass impossible, so we're going to get them." The first part of this claim is an objective fact, well known to everyone who knows anything at all about the place.
We also know there are a LOT of Nazis in Russia, including an entire division-sized armed group of them that Putin has used in Syria, Mali and now Ukraine. Should Ukraine (and eventually NATO) go into Russia to get them to make peace possible?



 

Scottty

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OK, you bubble-headed ignoramuses.

The Russian claim is not "Ukrainians are Nazis." The Russian claim is "there are a lot of Nazis in Ukraine, and it is their presence that has made peace in Donbass impossible, so we're going to get them." The first part of this claim is an objective fact, well known to everyone who knows anything at all about the place. Regardless of whether the latter is true, they have never at no time said "Ukrainians are Nazis and should be treated as such." In fact, they have sharply differentiated between the Nazi military units (such as Azov) and the VSU.

Well and good, and you are talking sense. But.. does the ordinary Russian frontline grunt always understand those distinctions?
I think we know well how critical details get lost or garbled when something gets dumbed down.

This definitely show the true color of all the anti war people.

What does?
And which ones? Because someone can be "anti war" for all sorts of reasons.
 

Rufus Shinra

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Well and good, and you are talking sense. But.. does the ordinary Russian frontline grunt always understand those distinctions?
I think we know well how critical details get lost or garbled when something gets dumbed down.
The only thing that makes sense in Alcibiades' posts is how he parrots propaganda from the Kremlin despite increasingly overwhelming documentation proving it bullshit while the army he supports commits an increasing number of war crimes in its campaign to annex illegally parts of neighbouring countries.

After all, when everything is said and done, that's what happens: wars of conquest filled with civilians being murdered or kidnapped by the occupation forces as a matter of policy. Colonialism, to sum it up a bit further.
 

Rabe

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The only thing that makes sense in Alcibiades' posts is how he parrots propaganda from the Kremlin despite increasingly overwhelming documentation proving it bullshit while the army he supports commits an increasing number of war crimes in its campaign to annex illegally parts of neighbouring countries.

After all, when everything is said and done, that's what happens: wars of conquest filled with civilians being murdered or kidnapped by the occupation forces as a matter of policy. Colonialism, to sum it up a bit further.
correct Russia is currently doing a manifest destiny level crime on the people of ukriane, remove the people to camps to break them of their culture is the lightest they are saying they are doing outright murder seems to be the order of the day tho,
So yeah Russia is currently murdering the natives for sweet sweet free real estate just like the US did to the new world but this time the tech levels are closer
protip: you apparently really need that tech superiority and logistic support to not be drown in the blood of your own thieving conscripts
 

Scottty

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The only thing that makes sense in Alcibiades' posts is how he parrots propaganda from the Kremlin despite increasingly overwhelming documentation proving it bullshit while the army he supports commits an increasing number of war crimes in its campaign to annex illegally parts of neighbouring countries.

After all, when everything is said and done, that's what happens: wars of conquest filled with civilians being murdered or kidnapped by the occupation forces as a matter of policy. Colonialism, to sum it up a bit further.

It's only colonialism if the plan is to keep the regions they conquer and settle some of their own people on that land.

Doing the classic steppe horde thing of coming in looting, killing, and burning, then shoving off back north with all the washing machines, is not how to establish a colony.
 

Kamakura bakufu

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It's only colonialism if the plan is to keep the regions they conquer and settle some of their own people on that land.

Doing the classic steppe horde thing of coming in looting, killing, and burning, then shoving off back north with all the washing machines, is not how to establish a colony.
If successful then the people challenging your claim is all death and you can come back after some time.
 

Rufus Shinra

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It's only colonialism if the plan is to keep the regions they conquer and settle some of their own people on that land.

Doing the classic steppe horde thing of coming in looting, killing, and burning, then shoving off back north with all the washing machines, is not how to establish a colony.
Their initial plan was to actually conquer and take over the entire area. Cue blyatkrieg.
 

folti

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It's only colonialism if the plan is to keep the regions they conquer and settle some of their own people on that land.

Doing the classic steppe horde thing of coming in looting, killing, and burning, then shoving off back north with all the washing machines, is not how to establish a colony.
Except you know, they lacked the logistics to support anything, let alone raiding, and they started the invasion on the most unfavourable weather for any major troop movement, irrelevant whether it's on foot, horseback, or on vehicles, the early spring muddy season. Also the looting of valuables, ranging from washing machines to AirPods, or even people's underwear, have been done by the enlisted, not exactly something they ordered.

And nope, Putin was pretty open about his plans to carve out as much of Ukraine for his Imperial Russia 2.0: Gopnik Boogaloo plans, as possible, in the opening stages of the war. Especially why he had them opening 2 extra fronts on the north to nap Kharkiv and Kyiv from the get go, thinking that the Ukrainian military is a pushover, and the government will run.
 

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Alcibiades

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Well and good, and you are talking sense. But.. does the ordinary Russian frontline grunt always understand those distinctions?
I think we know well how critical details get lost or garbled when something gets dumbed down.

I have no idea what the average soldier thinks. but they definitely do not think "Ukrainians are Nazis!" It's ridiculous.

It's ridiculous because a very large % of Ukrainians and Russians have relatives and/or work in the other country and travel back and forth all the time.

However, the gibbering monkeys who pass for posters in this thread don't know that, because they don't know much of anything except how to shove their own genitalia in their own mouths and then make barely audible grunts of pleasure.
I have never in all my days seen such an orgy of stupidity. The sheer level of idiocy someone has to have to believe some of this nonsense is unbelievable. What a bunch of cretins. And that's not an insult; that's a statement of fact. "Hey, the Russians left a town, and then the Ukrainians showed up, and then a bunch of bodies appeared that nobody noticed a couple of days earlier! It was totally the Russians, and not the guys with the famous Nazi armed groups! It totally wasn't a death squad! Hey, let's block an investigation, because who needs one, right?!" The level of stupidity needed to not figure out what probably happened here is breathtaking. Actually what it is is moral cowardice, because nobody is actually stupid and everybody knows what happened, but they don't want to admit it to themselves because that would interfere with their self-adoration.

You are lucky you are in Africa, because Western Europe and North America are just sea to sea ignorant, venal white trash right now. Or at least the self-satisfied uneducated shitsmear that passes for "the informed public," who are actually the most ignorant, lazy, gullible people to ever breathe. And proud of it. Fuck these people.
 

Rufus Shinra

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I have no idea what the average soldier thinks. but they definitely do not think "Ukrainians are Nazis!" It's ridiculous.

It's ridiculous because a very large % of Ukrainians and Russians have relatives and/or work in the other country and travel back and forth all the time.

However, the gibbering monkeys who pass for posters in this thread don't know that, because they don't know much of anything except how to shove their own genitalia in their own mouths and then make barely audible grunts of pleasure.
I have never in all my days seen such an orgy of stupidity. The sheer level of idiocy someone has to have to believe some of this nonsense is unbelievable. What a bunch of cretins. And that's not an insult; that's a statement of fact. "Hey, the Russians left a town, and then the Ukrainians showed up, and then a bunch of bodies appeared that nobody noticed a couple of days earlier! It was totally the Russians, and not the guys with the famous Nazi armed groups! It totally wasn't a death squad! Hey, let's block an investigation, because who needs one, right?!" The level of stupidity needed to not figure out what probably happened here is breathtaking. Actually what it is is moral cowardice, because nobody is actually stupid and everybody knows what happened, but they don't want to admit it to themselves because that would interfere with their self-adoration.

You are lucky you are in Africa, because Western Europe and North America are just sea to sea ignorant, venal white trash right now. Or at least the self-satisfied uneducated shitsmear that passes for "the informed public," who are actually the most ignorant, gullible people to ever breathe. And proud of it. Fuck these people.
You sound really angry, little man. Do you want to see some more pictures of abandoned Russian vehicles, sinking Russian warships or 1920 tank tactics? Or is it just the mass graves left by the Russian occupation forces that would trigger you?

Hmm, I wonder how many Russian tanks got blown in the time that took for you to write this rant...
 

Scottty

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What I mean is that a lot of anti war people only anti American war and not everyone else.


Nothing new. I remember back during the Cold War era some people claimed to be pacifist, and wanted the West to unilaterally dismantle all their nuclear weapons. But refused to endorse the idea of the Soviets doing the same.


But one doesn't have to all-or-nothing support every war or none. For example - the USA obviously had to do something in response to the WTC going down.. but the Iraq occupation was a mistake.

You are lucky you are in Africa, because Western Europe and North America are just sea to sea ignorant, venal white trash right now. Or at least the self-satisfied uneducated shitsmear that passes for "the informed public," who are actually the most ignorant, lazy, gullible people to ever breathe. And proud of it. Fuck these people.

The chattering classes are not the whole population there.


You sound really angry, little man. Do you want to see some more pictures of abandoned Russian vehicles, sinking Russian warships or 1920 tank tactics? Or is it just the mass graves left by the Russian occupation forces that would trigger you?

Hmm, I wonder how many Russian tanks got blown in the time that took for you to write this rant...

Rufus... what if...?
What if that stuff doesn't actually bother him anywhere as much as you seem to think it does?

But just imagine... imagine a world where we could discuss topics like grown-ups, without making everything personal?
 

Rufus Shinra

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Rufus... what if...?
What if that stuff doesn't actually bother him anywhere as much as you seem to think it does?

But just imagine... imagine a world where we could discuss topics like grown-ups, without making everything personal?
I dunno, ask him, since he's the one screeching and insulting everyone for not following along the fantasies from the Kremlin. I am simply stating the documented and photographed facts, while he does nothing more than call idiot everyone who disagrees with him.

Don't blame me for the Russian military being less competent than Iraq's, or their equipment being sixty years obsolete. I simply comment the documented facts and enjoy the screeching from people defending mass murder of civilians.
 

t-dugong

Beach bum, Esq.
That is being nice to Alcibiades, @Scottty. He's a westerner living in Russia. He's brown-nosing Putin, we're mocking the idiot. What do you think would happen to the numbskull if didn't parrot Putin's line?
 
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