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I would not call it careless, more like stating the obvious.
nah, it's also a good way to keep theAt some point, we all have to just recognise that sanctions is just the proverbial equivalent of America throwing a tantrum of "I'm relevant!!!"
Yes... of course forcing US and EU companies to not use a good investment opportunity because of sanctions, means leaving the investment opportunity to China, Russia and others who are not afraid of the sanctions. Perfect example is once again Iran or Venezuela...nah, it's also a good way to keep thevassalsallies' business plans in check, at least for rivals where they decide it's not worth fighting the US over it, like in Iran. Put sanctions on a rival, then watch the EU and other rivals forcing their own businesses to divest dealing with said rival.
Worked like a charm in Iran or against Russia after 2014, with the exception of gas.
It shows that the threats of stopping NS-2 in case the Ukrainian conflict goes hot are most likely just a bluff. Lambrecht showed the German government's hand in a high-stakes poker game - because that is what the sanctions threats are.I would not call it careless, more like stating the obvious.
More like hinting becouse the Chancellor cannot outright state that.Yes... of course forcing US and EU companies to not use a good investment opportunity because of sanctions, means leaving the investment opportunity to China, Russia and others who are not afraid of the sanctions. Perfect example is once again Iran or Venezuela...
It shows that the threats of stopping NS-2 in case the Ukrainian conflict goes hot are most likely just a bluff. Lambrecht showed the German government's hand in a high-stakes poker game - because that is what the sanctions threats are.
Even tho it is quite true that those matters are not the business of others to decide, i still can't help but think that the US's reaction is on point.
For the wrong reasons, however.
Allow me to elaborate:
Doesn't it worry you that Germany is so desperately trying to set up NS2, which will give Russia another considerable leverage point on a major member of the EU, and by extension, it's inner working as well?
Why is Germany so eager to do so?
Maybe i am missing something, but how can the EU ever advance, as long as Germany retain any sort of power within it?
The German government has repeatedly proved itself to be an obstacle to the furthering of EU sovereignty, times and times again.
Just recently, Germany bought about 45 fighters jet from Boeing.
For whatever reason.
How can the EU ever advance with such a weight wrapped around it's ankles?
Why did no one mention this?
Could you please explain to me how the NS-2 creates another leverage point on Germany? Because I don't see it.Doesn't it worry you that Germany is so desperately trying to set up NS2, which will give Russia another considerable leverage point on a major member of the EU, and by extension, it's inner working as well?
Could you please explain to me how the NS-2 creates another leverage point on Germany? Because I don't see it.
It doesn't in any way change dependence of EU on Russian natural gas, it just adds another potential transport route of that gas, by which it decreases EU's dependence on Ukraine (that was the point of building NS-2). It also decreases the transport costs of the gas, and makes it more nature-friendly because the Ukrainian route is old, much more complicated and dirtier when it comes to CH4 leaks than the NS-2.
Well, you have to think along factional lines.
1. The German industrialists see Russia as a cheap place to build, assemble stuff, and sell equipment. They also have a disdain for the Eastern Europeans and want cheap energy, hence NS2.
2. You also have the Greens who haven't bothered to even outright hide their Atlanticist "Notice me America Senpai!" leanings.
3. You also have the National Security types who lean USA (I suspect this has its roots in old school German disdain for the French).
4. You also have the cultural Protestant disdain for the southern countries in Europe.
I mean, I know this bends stereotypes here and there but the way German leaders have behaved in the papers have simply reinforced the stereotypes.
P.S. A lot of this can be applied to the Scandinavian countries, which don't share a lot of cultural empathy for their more Catholic neighbours.
Actually, this makes a lot of sensé, rallye.
But even then, that attitude seems to precede even the Greens.
Ideology is one thing, and economic reality is something very different. With coal being too dirty and nuclear too scary for too many Europeans, and renewables not able to replace the terawatt-hours produced from coal and uranium (they say for now, I think more like never), what else other than gas is there?Well, it is Still the case however that this is still a supplying avenue firmly under Russia's control in the case of future events not going as desired.
And i doubt that Germany will have fond an alternative by then.
NS2 is a paliative solution, not a curative one.
It is called taking care about your own ass first.Even tho it is quite true that those matters are not the business of others to decide, i still can't help but think that the US's reaction is on point.
For the wrong reasons, however.
Allow me to elaborate:
Doesn't it worry you that Germany is so desperately trying to set up NS2, which will give Russia another considerable leverage point on a major member of the EU, and by extension, it's inner working as well?
Why is Germany so eager to do so?
Maybe i am missing something, but how can the EU ever advance, as long as Germany retain any sort of power within it?
The German government has repeatedly proved itself to be an obstacle to the furthering of EU sovereignty, times and times again.
Just recently, Germany bought about 45 fighters jet from Boeing.
For whatever reason.
How can the EU ever advance with such a weight wrapped around it's ankles?
Why did no one mention this?
Russian Reversal: Gazprom Export sues PGNiG, alleging that Poland has underpaid for Gazprom's gas, compared to market prices—basically the same argument that PGNiG had, now mirrored.OMG this is so facepalming: Polish PGNiG is asking Gazprom to lower the price of gas for PGNiG: Польская компания PGNiG попросила "Газпром" снизить цены на газ - РИА Новости, 28.10.2021
For context, PGNiG sued Gazprom for the price formula in the Stockholm arbitration court, and won in 2020 a new formula, according to which the price of delivered gas is 87% dependent on the spot market, and 13% on oil. PGNiG was even awarded $1.5 bln as past overpayments. Gazprom did what was asked of him, paid the $1.5 bln, and changed the formula for Poland, as well as for Bulgaria and Moldova. Other customers had more sense and kept the old formula. And now, when spot prices are over $1,000 PGNiG has suddenly an accute case of regrets. I wonder, will it return the $1.5 bln?
TASS said:MOSCOW, January 15. /TASS/. Gazprom Export applied to international arbitration to revise upwards the price of the contract with Polish company PGniG, press service of Gazprom Export told reporters. The appeal concerns the contract period from November 2017.
"Today, January 14, 2022, Gazprom Export and Gazprom initiated an appeal to international arbitration regarding a retrospective revision of the price terms of the gas purchase and sale contract with Polish company PGNiG dated 1996," the statement said. At the same time, the Russian side also remains open to seeking opportunities to resolve the dispute through commercial negotiations, Gazprom Export noted.
PGNiG report additionally stated that Gazprom is demanding an increase in the price of gas supplies to Poland under the Yamal contract, and the Polish company itself considers this demand unreasonable. Earlier, at the end of October 2021, PGNiG applied for a reduction in gas prices under a contract concluded with Gazprom.
Begun the lawfare have.Russian Reversal: Gazprom Export sues PGNiG, alleging that Poland has underpaid for Gazprom's gas, compared to market prices—basically the same argument that PGNiG had, now mirrored.
LNG costs more and is harder to move (let alone green, given how the tanker filling process involves filling the tanks with the scrubbed exhaust gases from a diesel generator first, just to remove the oxygen), and iirc terminal capacity in the EU is lacking quite a bit.The fact is that Germany - mostly because the Greens - painted himself into a corner.
Because the no to nuclear energy and the can't to coal one, they need a lot of gas.
And that can't be changed for many years, even if by a miracle they start to bet heavily on nuclear right now.
LNG costs a lot more and the numbers I have seen said that the US can't provide enough to replace the Russian gas - even if they can, the cost alone damage brutally the German economy.
NS2 not only makes the Russian gas cheaper but also reduces the risk of Ukrainian interference. Remember me again the son of who is in the directorate of the Ukrainian Gas company, strategically placed to 'recommend' crisis that benefits you known what nation...
NS2 makes the gas going directly from Russia to Germany, a big problem for you know who.
Seen actually for quite some time.A big naval route that Russia controls and that is very difficult for the USN to interfere? Shocking. That also leads to massive movements between China and the EU.
A game-changer in other words.
It's not just about that. Russia is building new large energy projects in the Arctic, that will economically support the construction of the Northern Sea Route, including new pipelines, airports, ports, S&R infrastructure, military infrastructure... Just Vostok Oil is supposed to add 2% to GDP growth after 2024. There's also a lot of coal, metal ores, whatever you want... as Putin said some years ago, "we just need to dig some more." And if they find investors for the large tidal power plant in Sea of Okhotsk, they will become a green hydrogen superpower, able to completely take over the SE Asia market.A big naval route that Russia controls and that is very difficult for the USN to interfere? Shocking. That also leads to massive movements between China and the EU.
It's not just about that. Russia is building new large energy projects in the Arctic, that will economically support the construction of the Northern Sea Route, including new pipelines, airports, ports, S&R infrastructure, military infrastructure... Just Vostok Oil is supposed to add 2% to GDP growth after 2024. There's also a lot of coal, metal ores, whatever you want... as Putin said some years ago, "we just need to dig some more." And if they find investors for the large tidal power plant in Sea of Okhotsk, they will become a green hydrogen superpower, able to completely take over the SE Asia market.
And we're thinking we will force Russia to back down with some sanctions...
In the future is going to be funny if you see the US import food from Russia.
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