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Hinata Vs. Katara

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sneakykitten

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One of them can see into the body of her enemy and determine the flow of their chakra.

One of them controls water, able to freeze and drench enemies.

Katara and Hinata meet on Water Tribe ground. Rules are: Hinata can't disable Katara, Katara can't chain her up, they fight until exhaustion not death. Who wins?
 
sneakykitten said:
I dunno Katara can instantly freeze and unfreeze water, which ninjas need hand seals to do. She could freeze Hinata to the ground or something.
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That requires water being around Hinata to freeze, and Hinata can leap away from such water before it freezes- or possibly just use enough muscle to break it.

Also, Hinata when? Genin Hinata is something of a fight, but Chunin Hinata is just too fast and powerful, and The Last Hinata's increase chakra should make it a stomp.

Hinata doesn't normally use handseals much, she's mostly taijutsu, but she also has 'vacuum palm' attacks to strike with force at range.
 
It's on Water Tribe ground so I assume there would be water. Yes, Hinata doesn't really use hand seals, I was just illustrating how quick Hinata could get in over her head if she just tries to stomp on Katara. Katara can make water wrecking balls, rainfalls of sharp ice, and Bloodbend so she could just puppet Hinata to walk over to some water for example. I only know Hinata from her Genin days, however let's make her a Chuunin, and assume Katara learned and grew a bit more as well for fairness's sake. @Q99
 
Bloodbending is only doable on a full moon.

Katara is very flexible, but her stuff is mostly a bit slow. Remember how Ty Lee gave a lot of trouble for the gAang, Katara included. Hinata is like a faster stronger tougher Ty Lee.
 
Okay, no Bloodbending. Yes, Ty Lee was tough, yet I still feel like Katara has a chance. I happen to like Hinata more which is why I was going with Katara.

Anyway, I feel like Hinata definitely has a shot, yet if she's far enough away Katara has time to do something. As well, I remember her doing stuffs pretty fast in some respects, tho I can't name specific episodes. When she froze Azula in place it was pretty instant.
 
Chunin Hinata has Eight Trigrams 64 strikes (where she hits an opponent 64 times in rapid succession in a single attack pass), also Twin Lion Fist where she shapes chakra around her hands for a lot more hitting power, and vacuum palm for ranged attacks. She kills superstrong superfast monsters pretty easily.

Don't forget, even Genin disappear from people's sight at times with the body flicker technique, and Chunin are even faster. Hinata will simply not-be-there where Katara attacks.

Genin is a fight, Chunin has power, speed, versatility, and toughness. Like a super Ty Lee.
 
I doubt Katara is gonna be at the speed she was when she was with the gAang. Like she knows so much smart ppls that could help her train including Toph who could help her be sturdy against Hinata's Twin Lion Fist, Aang who can counsel her on evasive maneuvers, Ty Lee technically joined Suki and Katara knows Sokka who knows Suki so maybe even Ty Lee herself could train her to be stronger.
 
Katara's already at a speed not dissimilar from the rest of the gaang, with the faster ones being because of using bending for movement. Katara's high tier in Avatar already, there's not really faster to go in terms of body speed.

Avatar's not like Naruto when it comes to speed- people can get a bit faster and more agile in ATLA, but they all have fairly similar limits, what continues to improve is merely technique and bending power. Ninja can just get several times faster by developing their chakra and using more of it.
 
If water tribe ground means "ice" then I'd tentatively give it to Katara. She just has more attack angles and can afford to turtle with a water circle, and can block most attacks reasonably well with ice, essentially she just outlasts Hinata.

That said, its not a guaranteed win, more 60/40 in her favour.
 
Q99 said:
Katara's already at a speed not dissimilar from the rest of the gaang, with the faster ones being because of using bending for movement. Katara's high tier in Avatar already, there's not really faster to go in terms of body speed.

Avatar's not like Naruto when it comes to speed- people can get a bit faster and more agile in ATLA, but they all have fairly similar limits, what continues to improve is merely technique and bending power. Ninja can just get several times faster by developing their chakra and using more of it.
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So why can't Katara beat Hinata if she's high tier and Hinata is high tier? Seems like they're evenly matched.

Baron Steakpuncher said:
If water tribe ground means "ice" then I'd tentatively give it to Katara. She just has more attack angles and can afford to turtle with a water circle, and can block most attacks reasonably well with ice, essentially she just outlasts Hinata.

That said, its not a guaranteed win, more 60/40 in her favour.
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Yes, there are various icy surfaces scattered around, water pools too.
 
sneakykitten said:
So why can't Katara beat Hinata if she's high tier and Hinata is high tier? Seems like they're evenly matched.
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...? Because they're from different universes, tiers are different universe to universe, and high-tier benders are a lot slower than chunin-tier ninja, like I've been saying. Hinata is faster and stronger, can avoid Katara's attacks and take her out.

I've been pretty consistent in saying genin Hinata would be a good fight, since she's slower and weaker, so I'm not sure why you think matching Katara with the version who's too fast and strong is a good fight.
 
I feel like Katara could beat even chunin level Hinata. Avatar: The Last Airbender had ppls levitate with crazy elements all around them, Katara can make water tentacles all around her to block attacks or trip up Hinata, she can still perform her waterbending instantly, which puts her up there with Hinata's taijutsu. Katara is a good fight for Hinata because Avatar was built in the anime tradition too. Crazy overpowered fights happened: Azula and Zuko made explosions just by punching each other, which sent them flying, ah ha. Katara can make ice domes all around herself too, how's Hinata gonna punch thru those?

I'm sorry I like Katara just as much as Hinata and think she's tough and smart enough to win in a fight with her. It's only the thread I started. I can leave if I'm bothering you? And I don't remember anyone saying genin level Hinata would be a good fight for Katara? I remember u asking which version we were talking about only?
 
Hinata stands a good chance, and against say a firebender or an earthbender, where focused attacks are the norm, they'd do very well. But Katara's whole thing is good defences with few openings, backed up by some water whips and ice shards. IF Hinata could get past the defences they win, but thats a big if. Hence my 60/40 in Katara's favour judgement.
 
sneakykitten said:
I feel like Katara could beat even chunin level Hinata. Avatar: The Last Airbender had ppls levitate with crazy elements all around them, Katara can make water tentacles all around her to block attacks or trip up Hinata, she can still perform her waterbending instantly, which puts her up there with Hinata's taijutsu. Katara is a good fight for Hinata because Avatar was built in the anime tradition too. Crazy overpowered fights happened: Azula and Zuko made explosions just by punching each other, which sent them flying, ah ha. Katara can make ice domes all around herself too, how's Hinata gonna punch thru those?
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With chakra fists in the shape of lions. And her waterbending is not as fast as Hinata's taijutsu- chunin can travel 20 feet in an eye blink and blur-fight pretty often. Chunin Hinata fights at too fast a level, any water bent at her, she can get out of the way. Remember even genin-Naruto moved in a burst too fast for some samurai to see way back in the Wave arc, when he rescued a kid. That's about where genin-Hinata is: like Ty Lee, but faster and tougher. Chunin is faster, stronger, has more range, and can dodge everything Katara throws at her.

The speed difference is huge. The strength difference is also sizeable.

I'm sorry I like Katara just as much as Hinata and think she's tough and smart enough to win in a fight with her. It's only the thread I started. I can leave if I'm bothering you? And I don't remember anyone saying genin level Hinata would be a good fight for Katara? I remember u asking which version we were talking about only?
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I mean, you're pretty much just repeating that you think Katara has a good chance but that really, really, really does not address the stat difference that I've brought up. I know about Katara's water bending, so when Hinata's too fast and strong for that, that's not gonna change if you mention her water bending again.

I said in the fourth post in the thread that Genin is something a fight, but Chunin is just too fast or powerful for her. And then you decided on arguing chunin. And she gets flattened, so I really don't know what your angle is, you picked the Hinata that outmatches her and then she's outmatched, end of story. It's really not an interesting fight at these versions, Hinata's got significant superhuman speed, Katara is minorly superhuman at best. Genin Hinata is still notably faster and tougher, just not to as one-sided a degree.

Why did you pick the stronger version right after someone mentioned the weaker version would be the only actual fight?
 
Q99 said:
With chakra fists in the shape of lions. And her waterbending is not as fast as Hinata's taijutsu- chunin can travel 20 feet in an eye blink and blur-fight pretty often. Chunin Hinata fights at too fast a level, any water bent at her, she can get out of the way. Remember even genin-Naruto moved in a burst too fast for some samurai to see way back in the Wave arc, when he rescued a kid. That's about where genin-Hinata is: like Ty Lee, but faster and tougher. Chunin is faster, stronger, has more range, and can dodge everything Katara throws at her.

The speed difference is huge. The strength difference is also sizeable.
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I guess you're right? I still don't fully agree, like, those kids were still doing stuffs ninjas do. Katara made huge tidal waves when fighting Azula, just like a Mist Ninja, she may not be the best in a close range fight but I still feel like supernatural control over an element would give her an edge that Hinata just doesn't have. Water can move inhumanly, it could be bent to hit her at impossible angles, or just overwhelm her with tidal waves, rains of ice or freezing her legs to the ground. Katara instantly froze Azula. She could instantly freeze Hinata.

Q99 said:
I mean, you're pretty much just repeating that you think Katara has a good chance but that really, really, really does not address the stat difference that I've brought up. I know about Katara's water bending, so when Hinata's too fast and strong for that, that's not gonna change if you mention her water bending again.

I said in the fourth post in the thread that Genin is something a fight, but Chunin is just too fast or powerful for her. And then you decided on arguing chunin. And she gets flattened, so I really don't know what your angle is, you picked the Hinata that outmatches her and then she's outmatched, end of story. It's really not an interesting fight at these versions, Hinata's got significant superhuman speed, Katara is minorly superhuman at best. Genin Hinata is still notably faster and tougher, just not to as one-sided a degree.

Why did you pick the stronger version right after someone mentioned the weaker version would be the only actual fight?
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No, I'm giving examples from the actual series why I think Katara has a chance, I just like... okay, Naruto has a sizeable stat difference, I guess? Those kids were still fighting armies. I remember a scene where Katara broke into an Earth Kingdom palace surrounded by guards. Hinata loses against one opponent on occasion. Is Katara really not as strong as Hinata? Aaanyways, I'm fine with bringing things back to genin levels, I just happen to feel like Katara is still strong enough because both shows had similar levels of impossible fighting.
 
Hinata might look timid but she did pass her ninja education and isnt far behind Neji when it comes to Ninjutsu on top of basic chakra package.

Problem is the Hyuga can close the distance fast and do her combo.
 
Nerx said:
Hinata might look timid but she did pass her ninja education and isnt far behind Neji when it comes to Ninjutsu on top of basic chakra package.

Problem is the Hyuga can close the distance fast and do her combo.
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Ok, it's genin level Hinata now, so Katara is about however old she was back with the gAang and their skills would be more matched up meow. So she can try to get close, yet I feel like Azula was similarly fast and strong as Hinata and Katara beat her. She'd just have to figure out what kind of person Hinata is, and if she can stay in the fight long enough, just Hinata's actions shall tell her that she's got confidence probs. Katara is much more confident in herself and I feel like we're all forgetting that there are other things here besides strength and speed that matter in a fight or whatevs, like knowing your opponent's behaviors and insecurities, and your own confidence and how to make your opponent make a mistake.
 
sneakykitten said:
Ok, it's genin level Hinata now, so Katara is about however old she was back with the gAang and their skills would be more matched up meow. So she can try to get close, yet I feel like Azula was similarly fast and strong as Hinata and Katara beat her. She'd just have to figure out what kind of person Hinata is, and if she can stay in the fight long enough, just Hinata's actions shall tell her that she's got confidence probs. Katara is much more confident in herself and I feel like we're all forgetting that there are other things here besides strength and speed that matter in a fight or whatevs, like knowing your opponent's behaviors and insecurities, and your own confidence and how to make your opponent make a mistake.
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My issue with Katara is the load time of her moves, her bending is stronk but she needs to do her kata and a steady supply (she has that neat waterskin on her belt). Hinata may notice something funny since people in Avatar have those ki circulation things similar to people in Naruto which will prompt her to attack first, even if nullification isn't an option they are a family taught on human weak points. She can substitute a chakra point with an eye poke and similar moves.

Azula is good but they have different skill set and present different problems.
 
Nerx said:
My issue with Katara is the load time of her moves, her bending is stronk but she needs to do her kata and a steady supply (she has that neat waterskin on her belt). Hinata may notice something funny since people in Avatar have those ki circulation things similar to people in Naruto which will prompt her to attack first, even if nullification isn't an option they are a family taught on human weak points. She can substitute a chakra point with an eye poke and similar moves.

Azula is good but they have different skill set and present different problems.
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Azula fought with her hands and feet, she may have used like, burny fire yet she also used up close physical moves and speed and cray cray strength. 'Member when she kicked all those rocks? So right there Katara is prepared for crazy strong physical fighters. She's prepared for fast and devious fighters. Hinata may be faster yet Katara can delay her with like playing lil games with her confidence probs so she can't feel like she has a chance, which would wreck her and ultimately lead to Katara winning. Like... shy girls can be undone by themselves.
 
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