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Rufus Shinra
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It's absolutely wrong, ICE is the equivalent of the SA, not the Gestapo.
Yeah nope. The German military stayed out of the political fights of the 20s-30s. ICE would be more along the lines of the Schutzpolizei who were the national level uniformed police organization, handling a lot of things including rounding up the undesirables.
Learn your history.
Schutzpolizei (Nazi Germany) - Wikipedia
Tell that to the SA.
And I WILL laugh at you if you compare deportation of illegals, a perfectly legal activity all nations do, to the friggin Holocaust.
Rufus Shinra
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Murder of civilians, shoving anyone they like in actual concentration camps without oversight, medical care or due process are perfectly legal activities all nations do?
Yeah, that's what they do:
ICE stopped paying for detainee medical care as population surged, Ossoff investigation finds widespread neglect
Records show ICE has stopped paying for detainee medical care as the detained population has nearly doubled, and reports of neglect have mounted.
www.cbsnews.com
Renee Good was shot three times, autopsy into Minneapolis ICE killing finds
Private postmortem says unarmed US citizen was struck in arm, breast and head in shooting by immigration officer
www.theguardian.com
Scottty
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Vikram said "deportation of illegals", not that other stuff.
But let's look at this another way: just how many different government or quasi-government agencies or services with arrest powers or the like did Germany of that era actually have?
How many does the modern-day US of A have?
How many should be considered normal?
The SA was not part of the military, but the paramilitary arm of the Nazi party. Your ignorance is showing again.
As for the ICE, lol plz, they are blatantly flouting the law of the land, doing the same terror moves as the SA, and later the German law enforcement orgs (which got rolled together under a unified management, so actual names and uniforms didn't matter) did. Illegally detaining and even killing US citizens, breaking up families by deporting parents without their children, ignoring due process, the similarities are rather noticeable.
Even funnier though, the more they deport,the more the US economy falters, because it relies so much on the labor of the illegals to actually keep things going. Like deporting most of a workforce of a factory in a small town , so it'd die along with all the little shops , diners, or landlords, whose businesses have been kept alive by said illegals. Oh it's also a maga town.
OH BTW, they are already on the "we are just following orders" stage of the Nazi comparisons. Some of us knows how that ended up with the original ones...
Actual powers meant jack shit, when they could simply decide to not prosecute the police, or SA thugs for all the little lynchings, shop burnings,and other fun pogrom activities they did. Just like how they refuse to deal with the ICE thugs transgressions nowadays, while their PR uses the same excuses word for a word, as Nazi propaganda didnvack then.
Also how many orgs they had is irrelevant, once they all rolled into the same organizational umbrella under Himmler, and party loyalty became more important than actual merit and professionalism.
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I know the left struggles with object permanence, but do try. We were talking about how the German Army definitely didn't "stay out of the political" fights because they're the ones who took out the SA to resolve the Nazi Party's inner conflicts.
The ICE and German Army were/are both doing their jobs, just like any other immigration agency or military. It's just that due to being commanded by insane psychopaths in the government, they're doing so in brutish and horrific ways.
Scottty
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Are you thinking of the Brownshirts?
The NSDAP had its own paramilitary wing from well before they got into power in Germany. A militia that answered to the Party leadership, and was never (as far as I know) an official part of the German state.
Once Hitler and co were "the government" and had control of the actual police, army, etc, they decided that they didn't need the Brownshirts anymore, and did to them what people like that do to people they don't need anymore.
Rufus Shinra
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Vikram, you really need to get some education. The rise of the Third Reich is, for obvious reasons, covered extensively by most if not all European history classes in high schools, and it's very obvious now that it wasn't in your educational system.
5 minutes on Wikipedia ...
Night of the Long Knives - Wikipedia
I see nobody from the German military there. All the participants were from the Gestapo, and the SS (which was mostly bodyguards for high ranking Nazis at the time), and said high ranking Nazis officials.
And the long term the SA never been destroyed as an organization, they continued to operate under new management, first in their original role of street fighters, shit stirrers and pogrom participants, then when that role no longer needed, they have been changed to an organization tasked to prepare men for military service.
Honestly man, your inability to look up basic facts is impressive. Especially as the rise and fall of the Nazis is very well researched, and documented, and widely available, even on Wikipedia.
5 minutes of reading every time before you post would have prevented embarrassing yourself, every time you post.
But that's literally what I'm saying? The German Military wasn't being apolitical.
Except they weren't, and it's very well documented.
The SA was not part of the German military, nor the SS.
Again, 5 minutes of reading would have prevented makig a fool out of yourself.
Rufus Shinra
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And when did I say it was?
I was alluding to their participation in the political conflicts that led to the purge of the SA.
Rufus Shinra
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The SA, which is the ICE equivalent, was very much a political tool from Day 1, by definition. We hammered to you that ICE wasn't remotely the equivalent to the German Army which, until Valkyrie, remained out of the political shittery.
Nopity nope. ICE is a legitimate government agency doing what it was made and paid to do. It's just doing so with questionably legal and unquestionably immoral means.
Unless and until the Left realizes this, it can't win. Huffing and puffing ain't doing it anymore.
I don't know man, it was you who made these posts:
Screeching about object permanence is hilarious, when all your posts that say the opposite what you are currently claim are on this page in the thread ...
Since when did "abuse, terrorize, or kill US citizens, ignore the law and due process" been in ICE's charter?
Also SA was an entirely legal paramky arm of the Nazi party through it's existence, doing what it did with the tacit first, but later open approval of the government and even a large segment of the German people?
Rufus Shinra
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Rufus Shinra
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Guess you're running away once again after being pointed out about your ignorance.
Concession accepted.
Concession accepted.
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