The "anti-establishment" movement in Millenials/Rebelion of the Youth?

[Marek_Gutkowski]

Yesterday I was listening to the radio.
It was somewhat interesting as the hoasts are Englishman and a Pole, and the guests were a Chinese and a Spaniard.

The topic was music but one of them gave an offhand remark about there not being any anti-establishment movements in the Gen-Z/Millenials.

My initial reaction was, no way there has to be something. Then I started wondering "yeah, but who?"

The only thing I managed to come up with is the Woke crowd.
But here we have something that may never have happened in my lifetime.
The Woke crowd is not anti-establishment in the same way Hippies and Punks were.
The stated goal is to decrease suffering and bring forward change by promoting inclusion. And they are working seemingly from inside the establishment.
So while Hippies were marginalized and ridiculed, and punks were escapists that worked to remove themselves, the woke(for lack of a better term) are working hard to put themselves inside the structures of the establishment.


I don't have a point to make in this. I'm just musing about the topic. I hope to get your opinion on what the broadly defined rebellion of the youth looks like in the second decade of the XXI century?

 

[Rubick]

The stated goal is to decrease suffering and bring forward change by promoting inclusion. And they are working seemingly from inside the establishment.

Woke crowd is pretty much emotionally immature and coddled well of whites that are usually better off then the majority. Full of virtue signaling, bluntly racists and anti-intellectuals.

 

[Marek_Gutkowski]

Woke crowd is pretty much emotionally immature and coddled well of whites that are usually better off then the majority. Full of virtue signaling, bluntly racists and anti-intellectuals.

Of course, it is. It is a youth rebellion. You are not getting anything useful out of that. Try and tell me the same sentence would not apply to the beatniks hippies or the punks.
I'm just trying to be fair by saying what they claim they do and not what they actually do.

But I still think it has the same fundamental basis as other youth rebellions of the past. The biggest difference is that they don't hand around in gateways and vacant parking lots like we did as kids.
They have their social media apps.

I could say more about that distinction but the thread would be moved by the mods to the rants section.

So are the woke people the current subculture?

 

[Rubick]

Beatniks, hippies, weren't really that virtue signaling or racist though as far as I know. Nor where beatniks anti-intellectual. Punks I have no idea.

So are the woke people the current subculture?

Unfortunately, I think yes.

 

[Eliar]

Plenty of anti establishment types around but unlike the older breeds that were vaguely left-ish the curent anti establishment types are the conspiracy theorists, the antivaxxers, the deniers of progress and science.

Normaly we would call them traditionalists or reactionaries but there is nothing traditional about their whole loose movement that scares ever the traditional conservative establishment types.

 

[Mark Poe]

Well, there's always the incels and the rest of the manosphere I guess. So that's something...

Most of the current anti establishment protesters these days are usually some flavors of "got my/give it to me, fuck you" crowd without much in the way of enticing ideologies, so to older people they might not be as noticable.

 

[Mr Wumbo]

I'd add the online tankies to this. Self proclaimed marxist leninist mostly defined by unflinching support for China. In practice very few of them have ever read any Marx or Lenin, and seems to be mostly just HOI4/map game players who just like Soviet aesthetics.

 

[Rufus Shinra]

TBH, the woke crowd is a lot noisier than it should be considering its size, mainly because they're spending their time screeching on internet. When it comes to actually representing a number of people, they suddenly are nowhere.

 

[Rubick]

TBH, the woke crowd is a lot noisier than it should be considering its size, mainly because they're spending their time screeching on internet. When it comes to actually representing a number of people, they suddenly are nowhere.

Don't know how it is in France But they have been screeching here in collages and especially universities and been getting away with that. Though since last year there is finally push back. And news papers here call the woke "ideology" for what it is.

 

[Rufus Shinra]

Don't know how it is in France But they have been screeching here in collages and especially universities and been getting away with that. Though since last year there is finally push back. And news papers here call the woke "ideology" for what it is.

Kinda the same thing, but we have an important safety system in that universities have a lot less influence on policy and the economy than in other countries, due to the engineering schools system. It's one of our big weaknesses in the innovation industry but also a good firewall against this kind of bullshit since the woke crowd is partially present in the media and among some political parties but the economic leadership, made of engineers, gives little shit about it. Combine this with the absolutely hilarious shitshow that is the left in France - seriously, read about the past few years for it, you'll roll on the floor laughing for hours - and it's nowhere as important or influét as it can be in the anglosphere.

 

[IndyFront]

I'd add the online tankies to this. Self proclaimed marxist leninist mostly defined by unflinching support for China. In practice very few of them have ever read any Marx or Lenin, and seems to be mostly just HOI4/map game players who just like Soviet aesthetics.

Oh my god these are the absolute worst and most insufferable, my god I might actually despise them worse than the incel terrorists, holy shit. Especially on twitter and reddit (oh god the horror) The Kim and Luka stans are absolute troglodytes

 

[Rubick]

Hey, Indy!? Have i ever told you about our lord and savior lukashenko ? ☺

 

[Senmut]

Youth always rebels, because it must. Has it ever not been so?

 

[Marek_Gutkowski]

Youth always rebels, because it must. Has it ever not been so?

Unless there is a convenient war somewhere and you can just ship them off to die.