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UK Politics The Brexit thread (or All -not- quiet on the western front)

OK, we're all laughing at the Brexiteers, but really - what will the EU do? If it will keep moving the deadline, we're basically in a situation where UK can wait and wait and wait, until situation changes so that it can get a good deal - and then takes it and walks. In that case, the Brexiteers will laugh at the rest of us in the end...
 
OK, we're all laughing at the Brexiteers, but really - what will the EU do? If it will keep moving the deadline, we're basically in a situation where UK can wait and wait and wait, until situation changes so that it can get a good deal - and then takes it and walks. In that case, the Brexiteers will laugh at the rest of us in the end...
Or their support dies off and Brexit never happens.
 

The Conservatives have pushed further ahead of Labour in the latest Opinium/Observer poll – despite yet another turbulent week for Boris Johnson.

The latest poll shows the Tories on 37%, up two since last week, while Labour is unchanged on 25%. The Liberal Democrats whose conference opens this weekend in Bournemouth are on 16% (down one), and the Brexit party is also unchanged on 13%.

The polling – conducted after Johnson shut down parliament for five weeks last Tuesday, and Scottish judges subsequently ruled his action to have been unlawful – shows the Conservatives are continuing to consolidate their support among leave voters.

Brexit means Brexit!
 
Apparently he's just ignoring parliament atm.
In an interview he states that Brexit is happening, no matter what, and there will be no more extensions. He also says that he will follow the law.

Unless he thinks that the EU is going to suddenly back down and make a new deal that favors the UK, this makes no sense. Actually, it still makes no sense because that is so stupid.

Maybe he believes that the EU are the ones bound by the new law????
 
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In an interview he states that Brexit is happening, no matter what, and there will be no more extensions. He also says that he will follow the law.

Unless he thinks that the EU is going to suddenly back down and make a new deal that favors the UK, this makes no sense. Actually, it still makes no sense because that is so stupid.

Maybe he believes that the EU are the ones bound by the new law????
He's hoping someone stops him and then he can blame them for all the shit thats come due
 
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EU leaders have given Boris Johnson an ultimatum to come up with a new Brexit plan by the end of September or face up to a no deal.

The deadline, agreed at a meeting in Paris on Wednesday evening, comes as the bloc's chief negotiator Michel Barnier told Mr Johnson to stop "pretending" to negotiate.
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"If no proposals are forthcoming, I believe that quite a few European leaders agree with the position. Then it's over. Now is the time to come up with clear presentations and make them verifiable."

Well, that's a bit of a change up, and a kick in the balls.

Up until now it has essentially been the UK coming hat in hand looking for a hand-out and leaving all the heavy lifting on crafting the break-up policies to the other EU nations. Now the EU politicians are straight out saying that they are not going to do any more of the lifting and come up with a solution, the UK has to do that for themselves and then the other EU nations will decide if it even worth discussing. Oh, and be quick about it.

He's hoping someone stops him and then he can blame them for all the shit thats come due
Sidesteps this problem to some extent as well.

Parliament isn't in session, so it is entirely on the "operating" UK government to craft the proposal without any sort of parliamentary assent. If they cannot do it in a week and a half (ish), or makes an offer that parliament finds unconscionable, or make a piss-poor plan that gets rejected outright it falls 100% on the BoJo Party.

Which basically means that the blame for the entire inevitable crash-out falling on BoJo is what will happen, since there is no chance that his government will not only be able to slap together a plan in time, or make anything that will please the EU and parliament who wants to leave only on their own favorable terms.

Instead of BoJo being able to blame the EU for rejecting another useless extension where there is no foreseeable possibility of coming to accord and his pointing fingers saying "Oh, I tried, but they just wouldn't listen.", he has to fix the problem once and for all. Proroguing parliament means that any future attempts to point the finger fail since he knowingly crippled the operation of governance at a crucial juncture, and having the deadline fall before the new session of parliament clears every other MP of responsibility while BoJo goes down in history books as the guy who single-handedly (not really, but this is history books we are talking about, not reality) brought about every economic problem onto the UK since he made sure that no one else could be blamed.

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 



Well, that's a bit of a change up, and a kick in the balls.

Up until now it has essentially been the UK coming hat in hand looking for a hand-out and leaving all the heavy lifting on crafting the break-up policies to the other EU nations. Now the EU politicians are straight out saying that they are not going to do any more of the lifting and come up with a solution, the UK has to do that for themselves and then the other EU nations will decide if it even worth discussing. Oh, and be quick about it.


Sidesteps this problem to some extent as well.

Parliament isn't in session, so it is entirely on the "operating" UK government to craft the proposal without any sort of parliamentary assent. If they cannot do it in a week and a half (ish), or makes an offer that parliament finds unconscionable, or make a piss-poor plan that gets rejected outright it falls 100% on the BoJo Party.

Which basically means that the blame for the entire inevitable crash-out falling on BoJo is what will happen, since there is no chance that his government will not only be able to slap together a plan in time, or make anything that will please the EU and parliament who wants to leave only on their own favorable terms.

Instead of BoJo being able to blame the EU for rejecting another useless extension where there is no foreseeable possibility of coming to accord and his pointing fingers saying "Oh, I tried, but they just wouldn't listen.", he has to fix the problem once and for all. Proroguing parliament means that any future attempts to point the finger fail since he knowingly crippled the operation of governance at a crucial juncture, and having the deadline fall before the new session of parliament clears every other MP of responsibility while BoJo goes down in history books as the guy who single-handedly (not really, but this is history books we are talking about, not reality) brought about every economic problem onto the UK since he made sure that no one else could be blamed.

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Sometimes, the French are ok.
 
LONDON (Reuters) - The United Kingdom's Supreme Court ruled on Tuesday that Prime Minister Boris Johnson acted unlawfully when he advised Queen Elizabeth to suspend parliament just weeks before Brexit and that therefore the legislature had not been prorogued.

 
So, Merckel basically repeated this statement verbatim:




Well, that's a bit of a change up, and a kick in the balls.

Up until now it has essentially been the UK coming hat in hand looking for a hand-out and leaving all the heavy lifting on crafting the break-up policies to the other EU nations. Now the EU politicians are straight out saying that they are not going to do any more of the lifting and come up with a solution, the UK has to do that for themselves and then the other EU nations will decide if it even worth discussing. Oh, and be quick about it.


Sidesteps this problem to some extent as well.

Parliament isn't in session, so it is entirely on the "operating" UK government to craft the proposal without any sort of parliamentary assent. If they cannot do it in a week and a half (ish), or makes an offer that parliament finds unconscionable, or make a piss-poor plan that gets rejected outright it falls 100% on the BoJo Party.

Which basically means that the blame for the entire inevitable crash-out falling on BoJo is what will happen, since there is no chance that his government will not only be able to slap together a plan in time, or make anything that will please the EU and parliament who wants to leave only on their own favorable terms.

Instead of BoJo being able to blame the EU for rejecting another useless extension where there is no foreseeable possibility of coming to accord and his pointing fingers saying "Oh, I tried, but they just wouldn't listen.", he has to fix the problem once and for all. Proroguing parliament means that any future attempts to point the finger fail since he knowingly crippled the operation of governance at a crucial juncture, and having the deadline fall before the new session of parliament clears every other MP of responsibility while BoJo goes down in history books as the guy who single-handedly (not really, but this is history books we are talking about, not reality) brought about every economic problem onto the UK since he made sure that no one else could be blamed.

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Apparently there was a phone call that (paraphrased) ended in Merkel telling Johnson "Either come up with a deal that meets the minimum we outlined in public with the biggest megaphone we could find or piss off you deaf twat."


Johnson appeared to come up with a special customs union for Northern Ireland that basically boiled down to 'let's just pretend we are still in the EU anyway and you'll have to believe us on our pretty blue eyes all our exports continue complying with EU regs'.

Sauces:


 
He's definitely gunning for the "Whoops! We are out of the European Union now! Too bad so sad. Ciao!'
Isn't he obliged by law to ask for an extension? He'll get it if he asks.
 
"I forgot! Honest!"
Well, BoJo is capable of that.
I wonder... as I see the situation, the Parliament has locked itself into a position where they're at the EC's mercy. They basically made it a law that they won't get out of the EU until they get the deal they want, and it seems now that the EU is happy to just not give them the deal and keep them in the Union for years and years...
 
Isn't he obliged by law to ask for an extension? He'll get it if he asks.
What? No he won't. The EU made it pretty clear it's May's deal, hard Brexit, or a proposal deal. That proposal deal must meet a certain bare minimum and must pass through Britain's pairlament beforehand.

The only way BoJo will get an extension is via that new deal option but he cannot or will not make a complete document to put before pairlament. IIRC the bare minimum requirements for such a deal has the Irish landborder remain totally open to any and all traffic among other things, unnacceptable for BoJo and the brexiteers. As well as certain other requirements that are not acceptable to one or more parties currently in power.
 
What? No he won't. The EU made it pretty clear it's May's deal, hard Brexit, or a proposal deal. That proposal deal must meet a certain bare minimum and must pass through Britain's pairlament beforehand.

The only way BoJo will get an extension is via that new deal option but he cannot or will not make a complete document to put before pairlament. IIRC the bare minimum requirements for such a deal has the Irish landborder remain totally open to any and all traffic among other things, unnacceptable for BoJo and the brexiteers. As well as certain other requirements that are not acceptable to one or more parties currently in power.
Oh come on, we've been here, we've seet it all...
 
So, Merckel basically repeated this statement verbatim:



Apparently there was a phone call that (paraphrased) ended in Merkel telling Johnson "Either come up with a deal that meets the minimum we outlined in public with the biggest megaphone we could find or piss off you deaf twat."


Johnson appeared to come up with a special customs union for Northern Ireland that basically boiled down to 'let's just pretend we are still in the EU anyway and you'll have to believe us on our pretty blue eyes all our exports continue complying with EU regs'.

Sauces:



Well, as far as the Germans of SB went, that's totally out of character for Merkel, who, over 16 years of being the German Chancelor only showed anything more than mild disappointment when facing any kind of affront only once.

Granted, BoJo might have been able to do the impossible, and pissed her off enough to use such harsh language, which would in normal times would just fall short of declaring open hostilities.

Or you know, BoJo and his clowns are making shit up again.

Oh come on, we've been here, we've seet it all...
Same thing next Friday then?
 
Oh come on, we've been here, we've seet it all...
Okay what does the EU gain from an extension? Keep in mind BoJo has just offered them the perfect scapegoat, most of the preparations for a hard Brexit are still in place and the uncertainty is costing the EU money and prestige.
Well, as far as the Germans of SB went, that's totally out of character for Merkel, who, over 16 years of being the German Chancelor only showed anything more than mild disappointment when facing any kind of affront only once.
I did say paraphrased, and frankly she could just have calmly told him the same thing over and over while Boris just flipped his lid. That's what I see as the realistic scenario.
 
Okay what does the EU gain from an extension?
What it wanted all along - UK won't leave. I am 99% convinced that nobody will push UK out of the EU against its own will. No matter how comically it all looks, economically it makes perfect sense.
 
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