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The Trump-Russia Investigation Thread: Mueller Goes Terminator Edition

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The OP and what we know so far...

Aaron Fox

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Since we've got threadmarks now, we can make it easy to get a thread consolidating all the shit that the Trump-Russia investigation has dug up and been made public.

Most of my information will be transcribed from the SB Thread of the same nature.

Now, let us begin:
SB Rules and Table of Contents said:
Table of Contents of Reserved Posts
Post 1 – Table of Contents of Reserved Posts, Moderator Rules for the Thread, Having Baladar Add Things to the Thread, and Acceptable Content for Citations

Post 2 – A Brief Summery of what we happened Until this Point

Post 3 – Dramatis Personae in and Around the Investigations

Post 4 – Timeline of Events Prior to March of 2016

Post 5 – Timeline of Events During the 2016 Election from March Onwards

Post 6 – Timeline of Events and Revelations After the 2016 Election

Post 7 – Current Status of the Investigations into Russian Interference

Post 8 – Results of the Investigations that have Led to Indictments, Plea-bargains, and Convictions.

Post 9 – A Message from the OP

Post 10 and Beyond – Regular Debate and Information Posts


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Brief Summery of the Current Situation said:
A Brief Summery of what we happened Until this Point

The Russian Federation used their intelligence assets to break into computer systems in the United States that belonged to political parties, private individuals, and possibly some belonging to the US government. Using the stolen data the Russian Federation released out of context excerpts, altered emails, and outright false information to the US voting public via third party groups, individuals, and bot nets. This was all done in an effort to poison the well and cause tumultuous presidential term for Hillary Clinton, to possibly elect Donald Trump to the US Presidency, and possibly alter the outcome of other down ballot elections in 2016.

This disinformation campaign was also micro targeted at vulnerable voters in key states using personal information on said voters. It is suspected that this personal information was provided to intermediaries of the Russian Federation by members of the Trump campaign and/or third parties hired by the campaign.

The Russian Federation also electronically broke into voter registration records in many states in the weeks leading up to the election and it is presently unknown if those records were altered; however, it is known that quite a few US voters suddenly found them themselves as inactive voters on election day.

The Ultimate goal of the Russian Federation was to cause the citizens of these United States to suffer disunity, distrust of each other, confusion, fear of our own government, and weaken the United States of America. By this metric the Russian Federation has succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.

They have continued to attempt similar disinformation campaigns in other Western Nations, such as the United Kingdom, France and Germany.
Dramatis Personae in and around the Investigation said:
Dramatis Personae in and Around the Investigations

Spoiler: Noteworthy Congressional Investigators
House Intel:

Republicans -
Chairman Congressman Devin Nunes (CA) (Infamous on this site for many valid reasons listed in the spoiler below:

Spoiler: This is Why He Gets His Own Rule
Congressman Trey Gowdy (SC)

Democrats -
Ranking Member Congressman Adam Schiff (CA)
Congressman Jim Himes (CT)
Congressman Eric Swalwell (CA)


Senate Intel:

Republicans -
Chairman Senator Richard Burr (NC)
Senator Marco Rubio (FL)
Senator Susan Collins (ME)
Senator Tom Cotton (AR)
Senator John Cornyn (TX)
Senator John McCain (AZ, Ex officio means "from the office", basically "by right of office")
Senator Mitch McConnell (KY, Ex officio)

Democrats -
Ranking Member Senator Mark Warner (VA)
Senator Dianne Feinstein (CA)
Senator Ron Wyden (OR)
Senator Kamala Harris (CA)
Senator Chuck Schumer (NY, Ex officio)


Senate Judiciary:

Republicans -
Chairman Senator Chuck Grassley (IA)
Senator Orrin Hatch (UT)
Senator Lindsey Graham (SC)
Senator John Cornyn (TX)
Senator Ted Cruz (TX)
Senator Jeff Flake (AZ)

Democrats -
Ranking Member Senator Dianne Feinstein (CA)
Senator Patrick Leahy (VT)
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (RI)
Senator Amy Klobuchar (MN)
Senator Richard Blumenthal (CT)
Senator Kamala Harris (CA, from January 9, 2018)
Senator Cory Booker (NJ, from January 9, 2018)
Senator Al Franken (MN, until January 2, 2018)
Timeline of Events up to March 2016 said:
Event timeline leading up to the 2016 Election from March 2016 Onwards said:
 
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What we Know So Far 2: The Reckoning (Warning, possible Constant Updates)

Aaron Fox

SB's Minor Junker Descendant and Hunter of Nazis
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Timeline of Events Post-Election Up to said:
  • December, 2016:
    • December 1, 2016 - Kushner proposes secret back channel between Trump transition team and Russia, using Russian equipment and bypassing US intelligence services.
    • December 29, 2016 - Flynn discusses sanctions with Kislyak. Start of scandal that leads to Flynn's resignation and guilty plea.
  • January, 2017:
    • January 6, 2017 - US intelligence community publishes public assessment that Russia attempted to influence 2016 election.
    • January 17, 2017 - During Senate confirmation to AG, Sessions denies contacts or meetings with Russian officials.
    • January 20, 2017 - Trump is inaugurated
    • January 24, 2017 - Flynn lies to FBI. Lies about conversations with Kislyak on Russian sanctions.
    • January 27**, 2017 - Papadopoulos interviewed by FBI and lies, setting up future guilty plea in Russian investigation.
  • February: 2017:
    • February**, 2017 - FBI warns Hope Hicks about Russians.
    • February 8, 2017 - Jeff Sessions is confirmed as Attorney General.
    • February 13, 2017 - Flynn resigns to due to 'misleading' Vice President Pence on conversations with Kislyak.
    • February 14, 2017 - Spicer claims the campaign had no contact with Russian officials.
    • February 14, 2017 - Trump asks Comey to let Flynn go. Comey makes notes.
    • February 15, 2017 - Comey asks Sessions to keep Trump away from unusual contact with himself.
  • March, 2017:
    • March 1, 2017 - Both Sessions and Don Jr. deny Russian contacts.
    • March 1, 2017 - Trump calls Comey. Comey makes more notes.
    • March 2, 2017 - Sessions Recuses himself, despite the White House not wanting him to do that.
    • March 2, 2017 - Carter Page admits to meeting Russian Officials.
    • March 2, 2017 - The New York Times reports contact between the Russian Ambassador, Flynn, and Kushner.
    • March 4, 2017 - Trump Claims Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped.
    • March 4, 2017 - Stone says he never denied dealings with Wikileaks.
    • March 5, 2017 - FBI asks DoJ to refute Trump's Claims that Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped.
    • March 7, 2017 - Flynn discloses unreported payments from Turkey as an agent of Turkey.
    • March 9 , 2017 - Pence claims to have no knowledge of Flynn's activities for Turkey.
    • March 10, 2017 - Stone admits to dealing with hacker, who later is found to have been working for the Russian Federation.
    • March 10, 2017 - Trump fires 46 US Federal Prosecutors.
    • March 16, 2017 - Senate Intelligence Committee says Trump's Claims that Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped is without merit.
    • March 17, 2017 - Stone denies hacker works for the Russian Federation.
    • March 20, 2017 - Comey testifies before congress that the FBI is looking for links between Trump campaign and Russia. Also that there was no ordered wiretap by Obama.
    • March 20, 2017 - Manafort becomes a person of interest to congressional investigators.
    • March 21, 2017 - Spicer claims that Trump's campaign manager Manafort only had a limited role.
    • March 22, 2017 - Nunes brings classified materials to the White House, to help support the wiretap claims. He did not inform the committee he chairs and the information did not actually support the wiretap claims.
    • March 22, 2017 - Trump asks the directors of the CIA and National Intelligence to get Comey to ease his investigations into Russian interference.
    • March 24, 2017 - Nunes cancels public hearings of Clapper, Brennan, and Yates.
    • March 26, 2017 - Stone denies Russian contact.
    • March 27, 2017 - Trump says Hillary Clinton should be investigated for Russian interference.
    • March 30, 2017 - Nunes sources for what he did on March 22, 2017 are revealed to actually be from inside the White House.
    • March 30, 2017 - Trump asks Comey to "lift the cloud" of the investigation. Comey makes even more notes.
    • March 30, 2017 - Flynn offers to testify in exchange for immunity.
    • March 31, 2017 - Trump claims the Russian Investigation is both a hoax and a Witch hunt.
  • January, 2018:
  • February, 2018:
The Investigation's Current Status as of February 2018: said:
Current Status of the Investigations into Russian Interference

Since the Election, the US Congress began investigations in both the House and the Senate – the US House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (“House Intel”), the US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (“Senate Intel”), and the US Senate Committee on the Judiciary(“Senate Judiciary”). The House Intel investigation was initially led by California Republican Chairman Congressman Devin Nunes, and it is suspected that he has been attempting to thwart an honest investigation. He even gave classified materials to White House personnel that were not cleared for it, and recently has worked to discredit the FBI. Both of the Senate investigations has been seemingly been honest and fair, but Senate Judiciary is also looking into things less honest, led by Senate Judiciary Chairman Iowa Republican Senator Chuck Grassley.

Early in the Trump administration it was found that members of the President’s cabinet and closest advisers has had some form of dealings with Russian officials and have been less than honest with the FBI and members of Congress. Retired US Army Lieutenant General Michael T. Flynnwas “fired” over this on February 13, 2017, and US Attorney General Jefferson B. Sessions III recused himself from any investigation into the Russian matter on March 2, 2017 due to having been on the transition team. Shortly after this, President Trump abruptly fired FBI Director James B. Comey, Jr. on May 9, 2017. The President would later say “the Russia thing” was on his mind when he fired the FBI Director in an interview with NBC News correspondent Lester Holt that was aired on May 11, 2017.

Shortly thereafter the deputy Attorney General hired Robert Mueller as Special Counsel and lead an investigation. Over the next eight months a number of people involved with the Trump Campaign have pled guilty or have been charged with a host of crimes related to covering things up, conspiracy, and acting as an unregistered foreign agent. Congressional testimony has also surfaced that has shown members of the Trump campaign and family have had inappropriate contact with members of the Russian Federation and organized crime syndicates in Russia, in some of these cases the connections go back decades. One infamous meeting, during the campaign involved Donald Trump’s son, his son in law, and intermediaries of the Russian Federation, was organized for the express purpose of obtaining discrediting information on Hillary Clinton that was obtained via criminal activity or through the actions of Russian Intelligence Agents. That meeting was not reported to US authorities and would be described as “treasonous” and “unpatriotic” by other members of the Trump Campaign. Further congressional testimony revealed that the FBI began to suspect the Trump Campaign was coordinating with the Russian Federation in some way and began a counter intelligence operation in the Summer of 2016.

When then President Obama was informed of this he called on Congressional leaders to publicly denounce the actions of the Russian Federation. Mitch McConnell, the Republican Majority Leader of the Senate, refused for reasons unspecified.

Congressional testimony has also revealed a strong possibility that conservative groups, such as the NRA and PACs, have received money from Russian government, private, and criminal sources for use in domestic US political campaigns. This is in addition to testimony that Donald Trump’s real estate businesses may have laundered money from Russian Criminal Syndicates in the past.

The Special Counsel’s investigation has recently begun interviewing cabinet members and agency heads of the Trump administration. He will soon interview the President himself.
 
The Indictment Post (Warning, will Change in Future)

Aaron Fox

SB's Minor Junker Descendant and Hunter of Nazis
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Ground Rules:

Aaron Fox

SB's Minor Junker Descendant and Hunter of Nazis
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Alright, this will be the final post. If you find something on the net that has credible weight to it and might be part of -or related to- the investigation, please signal me or one of the forum staff so we can take a look and see if it is worthy of a threadmark. Also, there will be no Nunes memes, just like the SB thread.

Please keep hysteria and flaming down to a minimum.
 

Aaron Fox

SB's Minor Junker Descendant and Hunter of Nazis
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The Trump Campaign Says Exploiting Hacked Emails Is Free Speech
In a motion to dismiss a new lawsuit accusing President Donald Trump’s campaign team of illegally conspiring with Russian agents to disseminate stolen emails during the election, Trump campaign lawyers have tried out a new defense: free speech.

The lawsuit, filed last month by two donors and one former employee of the Democratic National Committee, alleges that the Trump campaign, along with former Trump adviser Roger Stone, worked with Russia and WikiLeaks to publish hacked DNC emails, thereby violating their privacy.

But the Trump campaign—represented by Jeffrey Baltruzak, Michael A. Carvin, Nikki L. McArthur, and Vivek Suri, all of the law firm Jones Day—responded in a brief filed Tuesday that the campaign can’t be held legally responsible for WikiLeaks’s publication of the DNC emails.

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While there is no evidence yet that the Trump campaign knew about or aided in the hacking itself, campaign-finance laws prohibit candidates from accepting “anything of value” from a foreign national. The Trump campaign could face legal exposure, then, if a prosecutor could prove that Trump or his campaign associates made an agreement with Russia to publish the stolen emails—which were clearly valuable to the campaign, given how often Trump quoted from them during rallies—via a third party such as WikiLeaks, as Bob Bauer, a former White House counsel to President Barack Obama, has written.
WTF?
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Also, I'll try to transcribe as much from the SB Trump-Russia thread as I can. There is a lot of shit to go through and not a whole lot of time to do so...
 

Aaron Fox

SB's Minor Junker Descendant and Hunter of Nazis
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i honestly do not understand. It's too condensed.
Problem is that if I did much more this site might get hit with infringement. I've gotten the link above the quote if you want to know more.
 

Aaron Fox

SB's Minor Junker Descendant and Hunter of Nazis
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Chatokay

Self-proclaimed FiC official absinthe provider :)

Chatokay

Self-proclaimed FiC official absinthe provider :)

Ravan

Gone
Is that sarcasm I detect in this post?
At this point I don’t think that anyone still supporting that party retains the ability to think critically.
 

Chatokay

Self-proclaimed FiC official absinthe provider :)
At this point I don’t think that anyone still supporting that party retains the ability to think critically.
Did they ever ?
 

Aaron Fox

SB's Minor Junker Descendant and Hunter of Nazis
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It's logic.
What sort of logic? Actual logic or fantasy land where 2+2 is fish?
At this point I don’t think that anyone still supporting that party retains the ability to think critically.
At this point I'm assuming that anyone still going for R has gone tribal, or at least the later stages of tribal.
Did they ever ?
Well, before the Dixiecrats became part of the GOP in the '70s after the Dems effectively gave them their ejection notices in the '60s.
 

Chatokay

Self-proclaimed FiC official absinthe provider :)
What sort of logic? Actual logic or fantasy land where 2+2 is fish?
Trump's lawyers' logic. I won't insist that it is logical logic thought.
 

Aaron Fox

SB's Minor Junker Descendant and Hunter of Nazis
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Trump's lawyers' logic. I won't insist that it is logical logic thought.
So fantasy land logic.. OK, that makes far more sense. Still, this is basically admitting guilt... at least to make this line of logic even possible.
 

IndyFront

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He better not fuck this up. Trump is going full retard as of late. Particularly with his defense of Saudi Arabia. They need to GTFO
 

Aaron Fox

SB's Minor Junker Descendant and Hunter of Nazis
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He better not fuck this up. Trump is going full retard as of late. Particularly with his defense of Saudi Arabia. They need to GTFO
Here's the thing Indy, the US military and IC have all sorts of plans on file and in triplicate that they've developed over the years (or may I remind you that the US had a plan in case the Girl Scouts trying to take over the US that got out in the open a while back), and I wouldn't be surprised that at least one of them is basically 'in case of one party going bonkers/become traitors, use the plans in this folder'... and the US IC and military have pulled it out of whatever dusty confines it was in and started going over it ever since the US IC got actionable intelligence that Putin sought to electioneer the election as part of the Active Measures program.

With the last two years? They're probably preparing along the lines of the worst case scenario... and the GOP is probably going to push them to do a Rubicon impression at this rate.

People say that Mueller has all sorts of plans just in case Trump does something stupid like a Saturday Night Massacre, I'm saying that the US IC and military have plans for the absolute worst case scenario.
 

Aaron Fox

SB's Minor Junker Descendant and Hunter of Nazis
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Russian held as agent studied US groups’ cyberdefenses - Associated Pres News, October 29, 2018, 5:27 AM EDT
A year before federal prosecutors accused Maria Butina of operating as a secret agent for the Russian government, she was a graduate student at American University working on a sensitive project involving cybersecurity.

Butina’s college assignment called for her to gather information on the cyberdefenses of U.S. nonprofit organizations that champion media freedom and human rights, The Associated Press has learned. It was information that could help the groups plug important vulnerabilities, but also would be of interest to the Russian government.

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An individual who has worked on U.S. programs in Ukraine told the AP that after Butina’s arrest he was briefed by U.S. officials who expressed concern that two Internews programs in Ukraine — dealing with media freedom and cybersecurity, and funded by the State Department — may have been exposed to Russian intelligence and may be at risk due to Butina’s student work.

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The access that Butina won through her coursework illustrates how academia and the extensive network of entities that often carry out sensitive, but not classified, work for the U.S. government remain national security vulnerabilities.
Education too? What didn't these Active Measures shenanigans touch?
 

Wakko

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Oh I just love these bombastic articles about basically nothing. Butina has never been accused (at least by the people who do the accusing, ie the FBI) to be a secret agent - a term which alludes to espionage. She has been indicted on being an agent of a foreign government without prior notification to the Attorney General, that's something very different - basically it's lobbying.
And since FBI has already backtracked on the allegations of her using sex to gain access (citing "misinterpretation of text messages") I smell a witchhunt...
 
Convervatives try to manufacture False Sex Scandal (Business Insider Article)

Ravan

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Ravan

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So there’s a sextuple post in the Mueller Investigation thread on the plot to frame Mueller for sexual misconduct (looks like they may have been trying for a rape allegation) detailing how much time and effort they put into this while also failing to hide it, and failing to notice that they dated their accusation for a date/time where he has such an airtight alibi that there’s actual news articles from that day rhat say where he was. (Jury duty)

Edit: Gateway Pundit has deleted their article about the accusations and replaced it with one claiming that Mueller is abusing his power by referring the matter to the FBI to be investigated.
 

Ravan

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Okay, so the twits who tried to frame Mueller just had a press conference. The guy yelled at reporters for calling his mother (he lister her phone as his business line), couldn’t even remember how to spell the name of the supposed woman accusing Mueller, despite her being his client, obviously no such woman showed up at the event. He claimed that you can be doing Jury Duty but also be elsewhere. His backer Jack Burkman insists that Jacob Wohl is a child prodigy anf that the reporters laughing at him is ageism.

And to top it all off the guy’s fly was apparently down the entire time he was on stage.
 

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