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International U.S. launches military strikes on Venezuela, Trump says Maduro captured and flown out of the country

That's not normally how it's done, no.
The circumstances under which you would use barrels might be if you were using a cargo ship rather than a tanker.
Yeah, no. Unless you somehow happen to have the infrastructure to transfer the oil to actual barrels with a throughput above "abysmally slow". And also somehow have literally hundreds of thousands or millions of barrels on hand to boot.

You don't improvise a complete shift in transportation mode for a bloody tar-like liquid. Oh and, BTW, the US oil companies themselves are going "fuck that noise" on the whole Venezuela "takeover" thing:


US oil giant ExxonMobil tells Donald Trump Venezuela is 'uninvestable'


Jamie Smyth, Myles McCormick, Kaye Wiggins

6–8 minutes



ExxonMobil has warned that Venezuela remains "uninvestable" without "significant changes" in a rebuke to Donald Trump's call for oil companies to pour billions of dollars into revitalising its oil industry.
Darren Woods, chief executive of the biggest US oil major, struck a sceptical tone at a televised White House gathering of energy bosses on Friday — even as some other companies expressed optimism about the potential to tap the world's biggest oil reserves.
"If we look at the legal and commercial constructs, frameworks in place today in Venezuela, today it's uninvestable," Woods told Trump in a meeting that included many of America's most prominent energy executives and some of the president's top lieutenants.
"Significant changes have to be made to those commercial frameworks, the legal system, there has to be durable investment protections, and there has to be change to the hydrocarbon laws in the country."
Woods said the company's assets in Venezuela had been seized twice since Exxon first entered the country in the 1940s.
His remarks underline how the biggest energy groups remain reluctant to rush into making big capital commitments in Venezuela even as Trump seeks to cajole them into pouring "at least $100bn" into the country to increase production and drive down US oil prices.
The meeting came less than a week after Trump launched an audacious operation to capture strongman leader Nicolás Maduro in Caracas and claim control of the country's vast natural resources.
Trump told the executives he would decide which companies were allowed to enter Venezuela and that they needed to make a decision quickly. "If you don't want to go in, just let me know, because I got 25 people that aren't here today that are willing to take your place."
The FT reported this week that the industry was unlikely to commit to making big investments in Venezuela without legal, financial and security assurances from Washington.
Other oil executives gathered at the White House — including services groups and those that already have operations on the ground — were more receptive to the president's overtures, suggesting some level of capital could flow into the country in the near term.
Chevron said it could boost production by 50 per cent within 18 to 24 months by expanding its existing operations, which pump about 240,000 barrels per day. Shell boss Wael Sawan said the European oil major had "a few billion dollars' worth of opportunities to invest in" subject to the US providing waivers to its sanctions. "We are ready to go," he said.
Spain's Repsol said it could triple its production to more than 150,000 b/d within two to three years. Eni, which has about 500 people working in Venezuela, said it had 4bn barrels of reserves in the country and was ready to boost investment.
When pressed by Trump, Woods said Exxon would send a technical team to Venezuela within weeks to assess conditions. He also said he was "confident" that the changes needed for investment "can be put in place".
Harold Hamm, founder of Continental Resources and a longtime Trump ally, declined to make any commitments to invest in Venezuela even as he described its vast reserves as a "real jewel".
Asked directly by Trump if he planned to inject capital into the country, Hamm said Venezuela was a "very exciting thing" with "challenges" that he said the industry "knows how to handle".
Harold Hamm talks with Richard Holtum at a table before a meeting with oil executives.
Harold Hamm, Continental Resources founder, left, and Richard Holtum, chief executive of Trafigura at Friday's meeting © AP
The mixed messages from executives on Friday emphasise the complexities faced by oil companies as they weigh how to respond to Trump's calls to inject capital into a country that remains unstable and where many of them were burned by expropriations in recent decades.
"The legal, political and geopolitical risks of going into Venezuela to make the sort of large investments that the administration seems to want are very significant," said Meghan O'Sullivan, a Harvard professor and expert on geopolitics and energy.
But even as he sought to convince them to make sweeping investments, Trump appeared reluctant to make any significant concessions to the oil companies about reimbursements or financial guarantees.
The president made clear that companies that had assets seized in the past were unlikely to receive compensation. He told ConocoPhillips chief executive Ryan Lance, whose company lost $12bn to expropriations: "You're going to make a lot of money, but we're not going to go back."
"We're going to start with an even plate," Trump said. "We're not going to look at what people lost in the past because that was their fault. That was a different president."
Trump also appeared to rule out using US tax revenues to reimburse companies for investing in Venezuela, something he had previously floated, telling the executives they "don't need government money".
"Our giant oil companies will be spending at least $100bn of their money — not the government's money," he said.
When asked later about financial backstops for the companies, Trump said he hoped these would not be needed. But he signalled the US government could provide some form of security and legal guarantees, which have been crucial demands by the industry. "You'll have total safety."
However, Trump suggested the Venezuelan regime, rather than US troops, would provide security on the ground. "I think the people of Venezuela are going to give you a very good security."
Donald Trump sits at the centre of a long table, speaking to oil and gas executives during a meeting at the White House.
Trump, centre, with oil and gas executives at the White House © Bonnie Cash/Pool/EPA/Shutterstock
Legal experts said there was "significant interest" among companies in potential investments in Venezuela, but that it would take big undertakings before that was converted into action.
"The dilemma at the moment is that the landscape hasn't settled yet, there are logistical and political challenges," said Carlos Solé, co-chair of law firm Baker Botts' Latin America practice.
He said that much needed to change before companies took action, including making it easier for US businesses to get licences or sanctions waivers from the Office of Foreign Assets Control to carry out transactions in the country.
Aurelio Fernandez-Concheso, the head of law firm Clyde & Co's Venezuela office, said he had received many calls from clients in the oil and gas, transport and insurance industries about doing business in the country but that there was "a lot of caution about how it will develop".
"It's one thing to pick up the phone and call an adviser, and it's a different thing to write a cheque and put money into the country."
 
That's not normally how it's done, no.
The circumstances under which you would use barrels might be if you were using a cargo ship rather than a tanker.

Yeah, no. Unless you somehow happen to have the infrastructure to transfer the oil to actual barrels with a throughput above "abysmally slow". And also somehow have literally hundreds of thousands or millions of barrels on hand to boot.

You don't improvise a complete shift in transportation mode for a bloody tar-like liquid.
lolnope for either post. Barrel as a measuring unit in the oil industry is entirely virtual since like the second part of the 20th century. It was established in the 19th century, when it made sense, and for some reasin they have been standardized as the old English tierce wine barrel being a 42 US gallon, or 159 metric litres unit of storage units, but died out as a practical tool of transportation as the industry developed, and better forms of transportation (pipelines, tanker cars/trucks, and tanker ships) have been developed. If the petroleum industry uses barrels today, they are almost exclusively on the finished product side, and are international standard 55 US gallon or 208 metric liter barrels (but called 200 liter barrels).

Apart from that, let's just say, these kind of hot take is pretty standard over here in Hungary, since everyone in the ruling party realized that they can say all kind of stupid, because the loyal media won't question them, the independent/opposition media doesn't really matter. But unlike the US, it took them the better part of a decade.
 
Yeah, no. Unless you somehow happen to have the infrastructure to transfer the oil to actual barrels with a throughput above "abysmally slow". And also somehow have literally hundreds of thousands or millions of barrels on hand to boot.

If I wanted to I could invent a scenario in which doing things that way made sense.

But as folti points out, barrels are more a virtual measure. So maybe this is a "broken telephones" case where the original meaning is that the oil has been "put into barrels" in the sense that someone calculated how many barrels the oil would fill, if they were still literally using barrels.
 
If I wanted to I could invent a scenario in which doing things that way made sense.

But as folti points out, barrels are more a virtual measure. So maybe this is a "broken telephones" case where the original meaning is that the oil has been "put into barrels" in the sense that someone calculated how many barrels the oil would fill, if they were still literally using barrels.
Why are you deliberately obtuse when the quote was very clear with no room for interpretation? The US administration is made of idiots, simple as.
 
If I wanted to I could invent a scenario in which doing things that way made sense.

But as folti points out, barrels are more a virtual measure. So maybe this is a "broken telephones" case where the original meaning is that the oil has been "put into barrels" in the sense that someone calculated how many barrels the oil would fill, if they were still literally using barrels.
nope. Barrel is the official measurement of the oil industry, but it's entirely virtual as nobody uses the physical barrels anymore, because they are impractical at any volumes modern civilization needs.
It's used for everything from the yields of a single well or an entire oilfield, to the carrying capacity of various transportation methods, and the processing capacity of refineries. And in those contexts, it's always used with some sort of unit prefix, like thousands, millions or billions of barrels, because again, nobody uses less.
 
Why are you deliberately obtuse when the quote was very clear with no room for interpretation? The US administration is made of idiots, simple as.

People who, if told how much oil that part of the world has underground as counted in barrels, might think those barrels actually existed in physical reality.
 
nope. Barrel is the official measurement of the oil industry, but it's entirely virtual as nobody uses the physical barrels anymore, because they are impractical at any volumes modern civilization needs.
It's used for everything from the yields of a single well or an entire oilfield, to the carrying capacity of various transportation methods, and the processing capacity of refineries. And in those contexts, it's always used with some sort of unit prefix, like thousands, millions or billions of barrels, because again, nobody uses less.
Yes, I understood you the first time.

According to a quick google lookup:
Where Physical Drums Are Still Used

Physical metal or plastic 55-gallon drums (which are not technically "oil barrels" in the measurement sense) are used in specific, niche applications:

  • Refined Products Shipping smaller quantities of refined products like lubricants, jet fuel, or other specialty chemicals to remote locations (e.g., an isolated airfield) is often done using drums for practical reasons.
  • Sampling and Testing When a new oil field comes online, small samples of crude oil are sent in secure containers to laboratories for comprehensive assay and quality analysis.
  • Illicit Markets In some black markets where oil is siphoned from pipelines, it may be transported in physical barrels or drums due to the clandestine nature of the operation.
  • Industrial Use The modern steel 55-gallon drum (208 L) is widely used across various industries for many liquids, including motor oils, chemicals, and industrial oils, but these are for distribution of specific products, not the raw crude itself.
 
Yes, I understood you the first time.

According to a quick google lookup:
Yes the 55 gallon drums was in my original post with links to Wikipedia articles about them. Also the notion, that they used for finished products not for crude.
 
AKA, people who have as much place in governments as antivaxers in hospitals or young earth creationists in school. AKA none whatsoever.

Rufus, isn't it really time that you came to terms with the fact that much of the world is run by people who believe differently to yourself?

Meanwhile...
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Rufus, isn't it really time that you came to terms with the fact that much of the world is run by people who believe differently to yourself?
There's a difference between "believing differently than me" and "somehow being stupid enough to deny proven facts". YEC and antivax are either too stupid to breathe unassisted or just making up fantasy belief because they are attention whores. Either case, disaster for governance, as we see in the Colonies.
 
Iraq ended up with a net loss for the US. Sure, Saddam was dead, but in the end, the US lost just as well, with a decade of idiotic COIN, very avoidable losses and hundreds of billions wasted into shitty equipment and doctrine while their competitor teched up like crazy.

Tip for you: it's not because one side loses the other side wins. In Iraq, Saddam lost and the US lost. The eagle has grown fat and has late-stage cancer now.

This. Saddam loses and the Shias and the Kurds were the ones gaining ground until suddenly, we had ISIS popping up. Heh, still remember that interview where McCain was talking about ISIS and explaining Allah Akbar is just them saying God is great, fellas, nothing to worry about. We know what happened after that.
 


Footage of the Cuban bodyguards being returned to Cuba. The sacrifice of these martyrs will never be forgotten!
 


Footage of the Cuban bodyguards being returned to Cuba. The sacrifice of these martyrs will never be forgotten!

Yeah, no. They got wrecked quickly by Delta and were only there because Maduro didn't trust his own army. It's not because Trump is an ass that the Cuban or Venezuelan regimes are remotely nice.
 
I thought you were a leftist?
You keep living in a delusional world of your own making, applying arbitrary labels to anyone who disagrees with you, without even bothering about trying to read anyone's post. I dislike the US policy and "culture" for many documented reasons and I am enjoying their imperial collapse. Doesn't mean I consider Maduro a cool guy either, because I remember Rule 29: The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less.
 
Actually, yes. Most online people would side with Hitler over Trump. It's insane.
You seem to be living in a nice little fantasy world made of your own delusions and whatever niche community where you spend your time somehow thinking it's representative of the real world.
 
You seem to be living in a nice little fantasy world made of your own delusions and whatever niche community where you spend your time somehow thinking it's representative of the real world.
It's not representative of the real world; perpetually online people are just crazy. Real people are mostly either supportive of or indifferent to Trump.
 
It's not representative of the real world; perpetually online people are just crazy. Real people are mostly either supportive of or indifferent to Trump.
Or you miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight be living in a specific area of internet and kept there due to how algorithms select what you see based on your activity and preferences.

You know? The entire business model of megacorps.
 
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