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Uncle Rubick's Russian military media and news thread.

Wakko

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Sparky is probably learning Russian now that the Rodina is going for the 'box on wheels' school of vehicle design.
Don't worry about that. Russia, as a proper armor superpower, has a lot of armor producers, who develop all manner of crazy designs. 95% of them never get to a working prototype. The last successful mass design from Omsktransmash was the T-80. Current development of IFVs is based on the Uralvagonzavod's Armata platform, and the above picture is a curiosity.
 

Rufus Shinra

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Don't worry about that. Russia, as a proper armor superpower, has a lot of armor producers, who develop all manner of crazy designs. 95% of them never get to a working prototype. The last successful mass design from Omsktransmash was the T-80. Current development of IFVs is based on the Uralvagonzavod's Armata platform, and the above picture is a curiosity.
Bah, I still expect it to become a completely overpowered premiumin War Thunder within six months.
 

Wakko

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Rufus Shinra

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That is more than likely :)
Now I start wondering whether it would be financially valid to design a prototype vehicle with he main goal of having it become a premium in WT and make money from the licencing agreement with Gaijin rather than actually selling it to national militaries. Obviously not with planes or ships, but with vehicles, you might pull this off, especially as you can sweep under the rug some issues that would make the tank or IFV unusable, just like how hhe Panther is a really good tank in WT that doesn't catch fire on its own with its transmission or that can actually be field-repaired.
 

Wakko

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Now I start wondering whether it would be financially valid to design a prototype vehicle with he main goal of having it become a premium in WT and make money from the licencing agreement with Gaijin rather than actually selling it to national militaries. Obviously not with planes or ships, but with vehicles, you might pull this off, especially as you can sweep under the rug some issues that would make the tank or IFV unusable, just like how hhe Panther is a really good tank in WT that doesn't catch fire on its own with its transmission or that can actually be field-repaired.
I don't know how much Gaijin can make off premium content like that, but it's not a bad idea. The Russian design bureaus absolutely could very cheaply produce cool-looking "upgrades" of their more famous designs, even parade them on some proving grounds to make cool PR videos. The problem is whether such a progressive business idea comes to their minds...
 

Rufus Shinra

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I don't know how much Gaijin can make off premium content like that, but it's not a bad idea. The Russian design bureaus absolutely could very cheaply produce cool-looking "upgrades" of their more famous designs, even parade them on some proving grounds to make cool PR videos. The problem is whether such a progressive business idea comes to their minds...
See, for example, there was a 140 mm upgunned prototype for the Leclerc, nicknamed Terminateur. If Russia made even a paper prototype for the T-80 with such a gun, you'd bet it would be in the game with enough pen to fire through fifty hills in a row and one-shoot a Challenger 2 in another server entirely to the point the British MOD itself would end up shitposting on the WT forum. No such 'fair treatment' for Leclerc, though. Le Sad.
 

Rubick

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The last successful mass design from Omsktransmash was the T-80. Current development of IFVs is based on the Uralvagonzavod's Armata platform, and the above picture is a curiosity.


Oh, but it's not. There was a legit competition. Heck even KAMAZ had a offer, albeit lazy one based on 63969 (Which only the IJN special naval force would approve off.)

Kurgan had more traditional offering based on kurganets which no doubt we will see also.


Anyway, It seems the picture is few years old and just now only surfaced. The project might not be alive, at least in this form.


See, for example, there was a 140 mm upgunned prototype for the Leclerc, nicknamed Terminateur. If Russia made even a paper prototype for the T-80 with such a gun,

You mean Gaijn hasn't added object 292 yet ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_292
 
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Wakko

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Rubick

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Well, there is supposed to be another curiosity. Besides the arctic knight and BMMP. There is a 35 (30) ton amphibian for VDV. Which may very well be also the BMMP for NI.

And there is still MT-LB replacement program.
 

Rubick

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A T-10M stretching it's legs outside fresh from restoration work.



And being moved to military history Museum in Padikovo





Rubin Central Design Bureau showcases another more improved variant of Strazh, concept, a submersible training / patrol / coastal defense vessel. Has a length of about 72 meters and a displacement of about 1300 tons. Range of 4,000 miles at a speed of 10 knots and a top speed of 21 knots. Armed with a heavy machinegun and a pair of retractable missile launchers armed with kornets likely. And finally four 324mm torpedo tubes.


There is also two air-tight multi-purpose hangars to accommodate rotary-wing UAVs , boats, and the armament of inspection groups.

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No sure really to whom its aimed at. Russia certainly has no use for it. And I doubt neither is there any market for it for export.
 

Rubick

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RuAF practicing landings on roads



Anyway


Common believe is that Russians are really just bears disguised as humans. But this believe is in fact wrong


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A very rare sight of Russians without their human meat suit.
 

Inquisitor Solarion

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I was about to try watch this video. THen I read the comments, and I suspect the video is full of bullshit.

I guess no one told them that Granits are so fast and have that top down trajectory that even CRAM can't fight.

And that there's enough fuel in Granits to set the ship on fire and the follow up missiles to punch a hole right through an Iowa.
 

Paulo Brito

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I was about to try watch this video. THen I read the comments, and I suspect the video is full of bullshit.

I guess no one told them that Granits are so fast and have that top down trajectory that even CRAM can fight.

And that there's enough fuel in Granits to set the ship on fire and the follow up missiles to punch a hole right through an Iowa.

But, you know, Murika rules...
 

Rubick

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Speaking of Kirov's @Khathi Is there any specification floating around about those magical KVG-2 water-tube boilers ? I'm eager to find out how a pair of them can provide additional 200000 hp (if the Yankees are to be believed ;) ) ...to the 1400000 hp from the nuke propulsion for the Kirov class to reach it's 32 knots.
 

Khathi

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Well, they're not that magical, actually. Instead, they're more of a nuisance. These are a part of the series of high-pressure boilers, developed from the land-lubbing powerplant boilers, and intended to power the last generation of the Soviet Navy steamships — Gorshkov being an oldschool admiral didn't believe in nuclear power, and gas propulsion was seen as a sorta expensive, so the 956 destroyers, 1145 aviation cruisers and 1144 missile cruisers were to have at least partially steam propulsion. But it had to be competitive with the gas turbines and nuclear reactors, so the steam parameters were set very high. The KVG series boilers had to develop very sharp steam of 66 bar pressure and 470°C temperature, at 10 kg/s, which required very highly stressed construction, but coupled with the existing steam turbines corresponded to 50000 hp per boiler. So the Yanks overestimated their power by the factor of two it seems. They did add to the power significantly, but not as much as it was believed. And they were finicky as hell.

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Khathi

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Their main problem was that they required constant minute adjustments (for some reason the Navy refused to automate them) and very precise control of the feedwater parameters, but when they fell into the hands of the conscript operators (and the Navy had just cut the term of service to the same as in the Army, 2 years — it was 3 years previously, so the personnel quality dropped significantly), they've became a disaster. Their "fathers" in the shore powerplants were operated by the trained specialists and still remained quite touchy, but when a conscript sailor pours the whole boiler of saltwater instead of the distilled and deionised one… well you can connect the dots. Contrast that to the same boilers operated by the professional sailors in the Chinese or Indian service, where there were almost no problems with them. And on Kirovs, which were mostly operated on nuclear and almost never used their boilers, and when using, they were also operated by nuclear-qualified personnel with much better training.
 

Rubick

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Anyway, a question for crueldwarf. Diving back at Soviet Automotive and heavy-duty vehicles before the war. I kind of came a cross that STZ-5 artillery tractor had bigger siblings under STZ-6 and STZ-7 designation

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A lack of a suitable engines especially diesel ones scuttled this artillery/transport tractors and a lot of projects in general. Which makes me wonder how the hell did they build 9DKR and even more advance 10DKR engines (never mind the least suitable application for them) Or even the V2. But yet couldn't get a decent diesel out for trucks and tractors.
 
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Aetherius

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Ok, please excuse me, but to my eyes , this looks like the result of a one-night-stand between a BMP and a GAZ Truck....

I wonder how this thing would be useful in action.

Anyways, very interesting find.



Not exactly Russian military but close enough...


on a sidenote, couldn´t they fit a heavy MG or a Panzerbüchse in to the turret ??

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I´m drunk.....
 

Rubick

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Ok, please excuse me, but to my eyes , this looks like the result of a one-night-stand between a BMP and a GAZ Truck....

Don't see it.

Anyway, It's a prewar (As in WWII) artillery tractor. This things where meant for towing artillery with it's crew and ammo but also as a general cargo, transport and even recovery vehicle. Think of American M series of movers or more famous German arty tractors like the, Schwerer Wehrmachtschlepper, Sd.Kfz. 6, 8 , 9 and the Raupenschlepper Ost which itself was inspired by the Soviet STZ-5. Which then in turn ironically would inspire to a degree a Russian version but at higher class. of towing class.
 
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