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Your nation's history...would you go back?
- Thread starter Senmut
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Technology and the 17th amendment has vastly changed the character of my nation.
Maybe I would go back to the 30s and invent the transistor and an efficient manufacturing process for it. Use the wealth from it to direct the nation onto a path that preserves states rights and limits the size of the federal government. If it could be as simple as making me the greatest orator in history, the task would be better, but somehow I doubt a speaking tour would work.
Maybe I would go back to the 30s and invent the transistor and an efficient manufacturing process for it. Use the wealth from it to direct the nation onto a path that preserves states rights and limits the size of the federal government. If it could be as simple as making me the greatest orator in history, the task would be better, but somehow I doubt a speaking tour would work.
Scottty
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Hi
Since you mention "states rights" and "federal government" I'm guessing you're from the USA.
No. I mean "my nation." Do you have something to contribute instead of an implied second guess?
Rufus Shinra
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Meh, last time assholes fought for their "states rights" in the colonies, they got crushed as the honourless criminals they were.
I was actually talking about the EPA and the DEA's warrantless mass surveillance, but fine, bring that up. Federal government only does good. Whatever.
Edit: Maybe I should just be Robert Welch Jr. and rail against internationalism. Afterall, no local government must be allowed to do anything without permission at all.
Edit: Maybe I should just be Robert Welch Jr. and rail against internationalism. Afterall, no local government must be allowed to do anything without permission at all.
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Scottty
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How they were treated still compares favourably with what happened to the Vendee, since we are "bringing things up".
And "last time" over there is technically right now.
Rufus Shinra
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Noone in Vendée goes for "Lost Cause" anymore. Thanks for making my point for me.
Scottty
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Noone in Vendée goes for "Lost Cause" anymore. Thanks for making my point for me.
The point is not one in your people's favour.
Looking back further, we find the St Bartholomew's Day Massacre committed against the Huguenots. (Relevant to South African history because lots of them fled here)
Those Frenchies sure are a murderous lot... even towards their own people.
Rufus Shinra
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Oh, it very much IS a point in our favour. Revanchism from idiots who didn't get to accept their utter and crushing defeat just leads to more war and suffering. The Allies in 1945 didn't do the mistake of the Versailles Treaty and weren't anywhere as nice as the Entente in 1918-1919, and guess what, the German people got the message clearly rather than deluding themselves into thinking they got 'stabbed in the back' by their own people. Or when the US dotted the i on August 6th, 1945 only to cross the t on August 9th.
Subtelty is overrated.
Scottty
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Just to clarify, is this a "how would you want to change history?" discussion, or simply a "is there a past era you'd prefer to live in?" one.
The second. NOT a change history thingy.
Also....
The St. Bart's Day Massacre was in 1572. The First White Prots to settle in South Africa were Dutch reformed folks, in 1652.
Scottty
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Yes, it was a Dutch colony, but they did get an influx of French Huguenots as well.
Huguenots in South Africa - Wikipedia
Now to the OP... I think most people's ideas of what life in previous eras was like is generally inaccurate.
Rufus Shinra
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Yeah, rose-tinted glasses indeed tend to make them deluding themselves into thinking it was better when life back in the past was mostly shittier for the vast majority of people.
Would you change anything, if you went back?
Ravan
Gone
in general? So much, but if you mean from the time period? Work to make the idea of invading Iraq so toxic that there's no way Bush manages to get us in there even with 9/11. Try to prevent 9/11 in general, and once the internet becomes a thing, turn Trump into such a meme for failure that he never has a chance to get "The Apprentice", much less go into politics.
Scottty
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The Internet "became a thing" in the 1990's. I should know, I worked for an ISP.
But the interesting point here: would going back in time allow you to meet and interact with your own past self?
Not part of my idea, but it could of course happen.
Or Hillary Clinton's cattle futures.
I am trying to think on a single era in history of Poland that I would live in. There really isn't.
The longest time there wasn't a war is actually now. There were no military combat on the soil we currently have since 1950. Yes 1950 not 1945, we had a civil war for five years after WWII ended. And even that time was not that rosy.
966-1772 war was the nations favorite pastime. If no one from the outside showed up we fought among our selves.
1772-1918 we were ruled by other people.
1918-1926 we had a literal rainbow of growing pains of democracy.
1926-1939 we had a military junta at the helm. It was so fucking schizophrenic we allied with the Nazi to kick the shit out of Czechoslovakia. No one was ever able to convince me it was done for anything other then shits and giggles.
1950-1989 Poland was a silly place, we invaded Czachoslovakia again because the Soviets told us it was a good idea.
The decade of 1990s I lived through them. The level of crime was so high till this day I am astounded how safe we are now.
The current time and I personally say its 2000 till today. I do not own a TV set because watching the news is bad for my health, both physical and mental.
Now everybody is telling me there will be a war with Russia "any day now"...
Then again it is not that bad. We sent a second person in to space since 1971. So Poland ball comics can bite me. That is nice to know.
The longest time there wasn't a war is actually now. There were no military combat on the soil we currently have since 1950. Yes 1950 not 1945, we had a civil war for five years after WWII ended. And even that time was not that rosy.
966-1772 war was the nations favorite pastime. If no one from the outside showed up we fought among our selves.
1772-1918 we were ruled by other people.
1918-1926 we had a literal rainbow of growing pains of democracy.
1926-1939 we had a military junta at the helm. It was so fucking schizophrenic we allied with the Nazi to kick the shit out of Czechoslovakia. No one was ever able to convince me it was done for anything other then shits and giggles.
1950-1989 Poland was a silly place, we invaded Czachoslovakia again because the Soviets told us it was a good idea.
The decade of 1990s I lived through them. The level of crime was so high till this day I am astounded how safe we are now.
The current time and I personally say its 2000 till today. I do not own a TV set because watching the news is bad for my health, both physical and mental.
Now everybody is telling me there will be a war with Russia "any day now"...
Then again it is not that bad. We sent a second person in to space since 1971. So Poland ball comics can bite me. That is nice to know.